I am on a high this afternoon. I am in such high spirits. It was wild, full of spirit and plenty of twists along the way. Here are my highlights and hates so here goes just like last week.
What I liked:
- That lovely little Chapel out in the middle of no where and that scenery WOW! what a back drop. It literally took my breath away.
- The lightning in the back ground at the chapel
- Crowley on a date with Jody Mills, didn’t see that one coming
- Is Jody alive or dead?
- Kevin and the tablet how it magic itself back together like glue
- Cas asking Metatron what God was like, and his explanation back to an interested Castiel.
- The boys faces as they arrived back at Bobby’s junk yard a familiar haunt
- The signing of the agenda rant & the handcuffing Crowley moment in Bobby’s junk yard.
- The amazing one-liners from Crowley in particular
- Cas saying to Dean is it wise to drink on the job
- Cas talking to Dean in the bar about the mess he made in heaven wondering if they would kill him if he went back home. Dean to Cas ET goes home …. awwwh.
- Dean looking at the gay men in the bar making a pass at each other when he thought they were chatting up the woman
- Sam confessing in the chapel confession box, was GOD perhaps listening in
- Crowley’s speech to Sam I deserved to be loved. He Rocked
- Dean to Sam I killed Benny for you I’m begging you scene
- Crowley and Abaddon we need to talk about my new regime
- Abaddon throwing Sam out of the Chapel window OMG
- Sammy killing Abaddon setting her on fire WOW good on you Sammy
- Crowley lighting up the Bunker with Kevin inside
- The boys laying on the floor by the Impala looking up into the sky and Sam asks what’s going on, and Dean replies angels are falling OMG
What I didn’t like:
- The boys once again walking out of the chapel leaving Crowley on his own in there
- Dean how could you throw all that back at Sam you could have handled that moment so much better I felt bad for Sam, Ruby, Lilith, Not looking for me etc
- Dean talking to Cas and mentioning Chaperoning Sam and he over hears
- Since when has Kevin been hitting on the hard stuff Whiskey
- Cas was such a bad ass handling Kevin in the Bunker
- Crowley biting Sam setting him up to bring in Abaddon
- Metatron killing Naomi was she a good guy after all
- Metatron slicing Cas’s neck and removing his grace sending him back to earth human
- Metatron allowing the angels to fall just because of revenge
My ear’s are still ringing with excitement, just like a little girl waiting for Christmas morning. I was literally on the edge of my seat. I have to applaud Jared in particular you all no how I adore Jared. But he honestly has grown in leaps and bounds. It takes a lot for me to cry, and this one really got to me. I knew Dean would blow me away but Jared was just incredible. He was really struggling with his guilt, over Dean and he finally cracked under pressure. It was an apology to me, and they both new where they were finally at. At the end of the day they were there for each other and this is after all, what basically matters. They finally got each other. I think this has been one of the best finales in years. So I hope to god, Sam pulls through and God does come through for Sam. So had this been Sam’s destiny all along that it was written that Sam would die.
Bella is early this week for once with my own take. I realize now that Sam will not turn into an angel and could see the connection in that he had to be purified to cure a demon. Mark and Jared really captivated me in so many ways. Dean and Sam well I couldn’t put it into words we know these brothers are special and what they wouldn’t do for one another leaves me speechless time after time. I have to honestly give this a 10 out of 10. Carry on my way-wood sons.
One final note, I think I have to mention both the cast and crew as they all have worked so hard for our enjoyment this season and past seasons. Jeremy I think does understand the boys, and he did come through I think for us in the end. Jared and Jensen rocked and we dearly no they adore each other.
Drop Aunty B that amazing comment as she’s always here waiting, I am so happy 🙂
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Angel crowd on Earth. . It’d be nice to see Season 4 recap . . Lol :-D. . Bella sorry about hatred, , now i’m looking into the other side. . Metatron and Abadon are left to be villains. . Which is good for Season 9. . Crowley’s human like Cas. . More Myth arcs to come. But plz don’t ignore Dean, that’s all i want. Come sooner October 7. .
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Angel crowd on Earth. . It’d be nice to see Season 4 recap . . Lol . . Bella sorry about hatred, , now i’m looking into the other side. . Metatron and Abaddon are left to be villains. . Which is good for Season 9. . Crowley’s human like Cas. . More Myth arcs to come. But plz don’t ignore Dean, that’s all i want. Come sooner October 7.
I thought it so reminded me of the season 4 finale. Satan don’t worry about that, we all get pent up sometimes;) You know what I don’t think Crowley is human, I think there’s a twist some where. As Sam did not complete the trial and he didn’t say the incantation to finish it, because Dean stopped him IMO. I like the idea of two vilan’s we’ve not had that before. I think Dean has had a role to play as he has stopped Sam from going through with it, and Dean has also saved Sam, as Sam didn’t die. He may still well die in the premiere. So that’s a definite date then, I will mark that on my calender 🙂
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I’m furious about the Whole Trial thing. . Jeremy Carver and team really did a screw up job, , if gates can’t be shut than what’s the point of Whole Season 8 Myth Arc. . That’s fucking ridiculous. . It’s never going to resolve. That’s irritating. Loved all other aspects. . :-).
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I’m furious about the Whole Trial thing. . Jeremy Carver and team really did a screw up job, , if gates can’t be shut than what’s the point of Whole Season 8 Myth Arc. . That’s fucking ridiculous. . It’s never going to resolve. That’s irritating. Loved all other aspects.
Sorry buddy. I now some are annoyed with how it went, I still need to re-watch as somethings are still puzzling me a bit. If you think back to the season 4 finale they are so similar, in many ways. I think Jeremy is a bit of a slow burner. Something might happen in the premier, as Sam is still feeling rough over it all. We don’t no how that’s going to open next season. It will be a tense moment.
Good to see you back satan,
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“I’m furious about the Whole Trial thing. . Jeremy Carver and team really did a screw up job, , if gates can’t be shut than what’s the point of Whole Season 8 Myth Arc. . That’s fucking ridiculous. . It’s never going to resolve. That’s irritating. Loved all other aspects. . :-).:
Well they can be shut-BUT for once, the Winchesters put themselves and their well being (well Sams anyway) ahead of saving the world.
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I agree with you Bella on everything! But that’s not a shocker 😉
Small little thing is when Dean is listening all the things Sam has done, before he goes into confession, he mentions Soulless!Sam. I wasn’t sure why he did as that was not in Sam’s co control.
Anyway, THAT brotherly scene. It seems like something had been building inside of Sam since before we even met him in the Pilot, where he felt he continuously let Dean down. It was so beautifully acted too! These boys have great chemistry and by Chuck they went for it in that scene.
Some, are calling the scene “fan service.” Right, the scene between the two main characters in the show about these two brothers is fan service… [eye roll x 393716283728]
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I agree with you Bella on everything! But that’s not a shocker
Thank you honey! 😉
Small little thing is when Dean is listening all the things Sam has done, before he goes into confession, he mentions Soulless!Sam. I wasn’t sure why he did as that was not in Sam’s co control.
I no that part did bug me too, but I think that was a loose canon on the writers part. I think it was a boo boo.
Anyway, THAT brotherly scene. It seems like something had been building inside of Sam since before we even met him in the Pilot, where he felt he continuously let Dean down. It was so beautifully acted too! These boys have great chemistry and by Chuck they went for it in that scene.
I agree. Sam has always pent up his feelings, I no how that feels as I do the same thing. Its not good. Jared really did moved me this time and it takes a lot for me to cry, he got to me big time. You can really see Sam’s face in those photos how he really came across he really was working his butt off. I am so proud of both of them. 🙂 No wonder Jared watched that BBB funeral track he really got into the grove. He was incredible.
Some, are calling the scene “fan service.” Right, the scene between the two main characters in the show about these two brothers is fan service… [eye roll x 3]
I don’t no where they come up with all these notions. It was beautifully acted, expressed and pure bliss. It worked me up so much inside I thought at one point I was going to burst with tears. It overwhelmed me. I tweeted Jim Michael’s to say WOW it was awesome. The boys Rock!!! 🙂 Still trying to work it out …..
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Excuse me, but isn’t the definition of “fan service ” -s*** you’ve been asking to see more of.
Having given the fans what they’ve been b****ing about NOT getting these people are now crying because they got it or it wasn’t how they wanted to see it or characters didn’t say what they wanted to hear.Just because the road didn’t go where you thought it would., doesn’t mean the show is worth a 0. What it means is that the destination you wanted to go in, the road ain’t heading there and that the gates of hell and the big bad you didn’t get was not the point of the story.
Ive observed that when this show is firing on all thrusters, what they writers have done is deflect a viewer with one hand, while pushing their real agenda and the writers did a great job of this season. While we’re all staring at the trials and various huntings and other seasonal frippery, the writers real point unfolded right before our eyes but we couldn’t see it until the end of the season. Also Carver himself stated that what’s happening now is the beginning of a 3 season arc. Meaning the real story whose ending we don’t know will unwound in 3 acts. Season nine is merely act two.
You know what? From now on I’m dismissing any and all complaints from everybody. Because you know what’s really pointless? Whining and moaning to absolutely no purpose, just because a person has breath and some lips. That’s all this whining is about. These people are just determined to hate anything and everything on the show. I cant help but think that that’s how they watch it actively looking for reasons to hate it and being deliberately obtuse just to get other fans upset. These people who gave the show a zero aren’t even fans of the show. I suspect they’re just trolls who have latched onto a fandom they know will feed them.
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“You know what? From now on I’m dismissing any and all complaints from everybody. Because you know what’s really pointless? Whining and moaning to absolutely no purpose, just because a person has breath and some lips. That’s all this whining is about. These people are just determined to hate anything and everything on the show. I cant help but think that that’s how they watch it actively looking for reasons to hate it and being deliberately obtuse just to get other fans upset. These people who gave the show a zero aren’t even fans of the show. I suspect they’re just trolls who have latched onto a fandom they know will feed them.”
I’m applauding you right now for that last paragraph! Thank goodness others see it this way. I’m so SICK and tired of seeing whining and complaining on the boards. Just watch the show, my God. They should be happy that this show has gone on for 9+ years, how many shows can say they’ve done that? And if they are really THAT unhappy then quit watching and shut up. You can debate things and not like certain aspects, that’s fine. But it’s the people that complain about everything and continuously bash the show. They want something to happen and if/when it does, they STILL aren’t happy because it isn’t up to their so called “standards”. And just because THEY didn’t like it (when they are really just nit-picking for the enjoyment of it) they think the show should be cancelled. Ridiculous.
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“I’m applauding you right now for that last paragraph! Thank goodness others see it this way. I’m so SICK and tired of seeing whining and complaining on the boards. Just watch the show, my God. They should be happy that this show has gone on for 9+ years, how many shows can say they’ve done that? And if they are really THAT unhappy then quit watching and shut up. You can debate things and not like certain aspects, that’s fine. But it’s the people that complain about everything and continuously bash the show. They want something to happen and if/when it does, they STILL aren’t happy because it isn’t up to their so called “standards”. And just because THEY didn’t like it (when they are really just nit-picking for the enjoyment of it) they think the show should be cancelled. Ridiculous.”
I esecially hate the-it should have ended season so and so-well just stop watching and make believe it ended! DUH
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I especially hate the-it should have ended season so and so-well just stop watching and make believe it ended! DUH
They just like to cause friction a lot of the time to see if we bit. 😉
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I’m sorry Ikeke I didn’t mean to upset anybody by adding that comment 😦
I was just frustrated that such a tender moment is being said to be “fan service” just because some want to downplay it.
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Whether or not its fan service is irrelevant because its now canon so it doesn’t matter.
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Oh I’m not upset with you. I know that people have been saying crazy stuff. Just have to vent from time to time about it.
For the record :when I first heard there was going to be such a show about nine years ago. I knew Id be watching it but had no idea I would grow so attached or even like it. Or the twists and turns and growth of the mythology of this show. Its been fascinating.
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For the record :when I first heard there was going to be such a show about nine years ago. I knew Id be watching it but had no idea I would grow so attached or even like it. Or the twists and turns and growth of the mythology of this show. Its been fascinating.
I so, so wish I knew of it when it first started. I don’t know where I was, probably on another planet, 😉 I don’t usually watch horror for a start.
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I’m sorry Ikeke I didn’t mean to upset anybody by adding that comment
We can sort this out Sugar don’t worry ….
I know exactly what you mean by playing it down. They are never happy.
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“You know what? From now on I’m dismissing any and all complaints from everybody. Because you know what’s really pointless? Whining and moaning to absolutely no purpose, just because a person has breath and some lips. That’s all this whining is about. These people are just determined to hate anything and everything on the show. I cant help but think that that’s how they watch it actively looking for reasons to hate it and being deliberately obtuse just to get other fans upset. These people who gave the show a zero aren’t even fans of the show. I suspect they’re just trolls who have latched onto a fandom they know will feed them.”
Very well said! I may read the forums but I rarely post unless its one of Bellas threads or if the people are being sane. I wont fan the flames of the crazies!
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“Very well said! I may read the forums but I rarely post unless its one of Bellas threads or if the people are being sane. I wont fan the flames of the crazies!”
Agreed barb! I try to only post on the lighter threads. I don’t have the energy to fight about fiction characters and ships. This show is my escape from my hectic school, work, and home life. I don’t want it adding anything but my continued enjoyment of my favorite show 🙂
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Agreed barb! I try to only post on the lighter threads. I don’t have the energy to fight about fiction characters and ships. This show is my escape from my hectic school, work, and home life. I don’t want it adding anything but my continued enjoyment of my favorite show
Escape is a great word, totally agree, its my me time where I can drop everything and be me for 42 minutes of pure bliss. I can’t take a lot of stress these days so keep out of the tougher threads 😦 I don’t get this shipping lark!!
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Haha, exactly. It’s either brother bashing or this weird fascination with Dean/Cas that I do NOT understand. There’s crazy threads out there saying that they are a couple and all this crap that isn’t true just because they want it to be. And if you provide logic, they just bash you and say their ship is “canon” which is absolutely false. These people drive me nuts with them over analyzing every time Dean or Cas glance at each other and it’s really beginning to make me wish his character would go away.
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“Haha, exactly. It’s either brother bashing or this weird fascination with Dean/Cas that I do NOT understand. There’s crazy threads out there saying that they are a couple and all this crap that isn’t true just because they want it to be. And if you provide logic, they just bash you and say their ship is “canon” which is absolutely false. These people drive me nuts with them over analyzing every time Dean or Cas glance at each other and it’s really beginning to make me wish his character would go away”
Its absolutely NOT canon. Canon is that they love each like FAMILY. I actually like Cas a lot and I try to ignore the shippers. I read a post somewhere all about how they want Dean to “comeout” . Puhleezzzzzzzzzzzz
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Its absolutely NOT canon. Canon is that they love each like FAMILY. I actually like Cas a lot and I try to ignore the shippers. I read a post somewhere all about how they want Dean to “comeout” . Puhleezzzzzzzzzzzz
Ahhhh! That drives me CRAZY! They twist everything that they say to each other like Cas placing his hand on Dean to TELEPORT him and they say that it was a “moment” between them or the scene at the bar was reflecting what is going on between them. I try to ignore it, but they just are so crazy and just plain mean to anyone that thinks logically and actually is following canon. They spam the boards and social media sites and do crazy things at cons that it gets me so angry. It’s like no matter what, you can’t get away from them and they stir up so much trouble. They can like whatever they want, but making false accusations on what’s going on between them and claiming it’s canon is just delusional and it irks me that there are people out there obsessing about this and actually believe it’s happening on the show. Every time Dean and Cas talk, I have to force myself not to role my eyes because I know these “Shippers” are taking it out of context and saying they are in love. I mean, they are trying to downplay what Dean said to Sam “no one comes before you” and saying that Dean didn’t mean it and that his “lover” (LOVER? You’re kidding me!) is just as important as Sam. And then saying that Dean yelling Castiel’s full name showed how much he was in love with him? Really?! He yelled because he wanted Cas to get there and help SAM. And all I saw was post after post on this and how Sam should just stay in the bunker and Dean and Cas can go hunt and show more of “their amazing relationship”. UGH!
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Ahhhh! That drives me CRAZY! They twist everything that they say to each other like Cas placing his hand on Dean to TELEPORT him and they say that it was a “moment” between them or the scene at the bar was reflecting what is going on between them. I try to ignore it
Best way, turn a blind eye. It only drives you up the wall. 😉
And all I saw was post after post on this and how Sam should just stay in the bunker and Dean and Cas can go hunt and show more of “their amazing relationship”. UGH!
I saw this, its like there trying to push Sam out. The one thing that use to really rattle me was If I saw Cas in the Impala sitting in Sam’s seat. It felt so, sooooooooo strange. It didn’t feel real. 😦
Thanks for the post, always ……
Love Aunty B xxxxx
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I try to turn a blind eye Bella, it’s just so hard when it’s all over nearly every fansite/board. Also, even though I ignore those threads and view a board that is not related to Dean/Cas at all, there’s usually people that come in and twist the topic to focus on them. 😦 It’s why I’ve left a site actually, because all of the Sam bashing going on and saying how amazing Cas is and that he’s so much better than Sam. I couldn’t take it anymore.
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I try to turn a blind eye Bella, it’s just so hard when it’s all over nearly every fan-site/board. Also, even though I ignore those threads and view a board that is not related to Dean/Cas at all, there’s usually people that come in and twist the topic to focus on them. It’s why I’ve left a site actually, because all of the Sam bashing going on and saying how amazing Cas is and that he’s so much better than Sam. I couldn’t take it anymore.
I’ve not really gone on many other sites, as I didn’t like the feel of some of them. It took me years to pluck up courage to finally go on IMDb as I’d never been on a forum in my life, so I lurked for about two years. I loved the feel of how they engaged in a thread and how thought provoking they were and still are. I love their zest and knowledge for the show, I guess I stay were I feel comfortable and where I’ve made friends. I’m not keen on all the Sam bashing either, it does get to me a lot. But try not to read threads I no will get to me.
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Love Aunty B xxxxx
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It won’t let me reply to your comment Bella, so I’m doing it here. lol
I’m fine with people creating threads to talk about their displeasure with Dean or with Sam even if I don’t agree. I like that people do that because it’s a place where they can talk with others that agree.
But it’s when people start bringing up a topic (like Sam bashing or “Destiel”) into a thread that has nothing to do with it that gets me mad. It’s like I go to a thread about how awesome Sam and Dean’s speech was and there’s Sam bashing galore. There’s certain people who repeat the same things over and over again in multiple threads. I get that they are unhappy with something, but they don’t have to bring others down and repeat their opinion to try and get others to believe it.
This was one of the reasons why I started my own blog. I felt really hurt that my threads were de-railing and even when you tried to put them back on track it would escalate even more. Threads have a life of their own. You can’t really control it. It is quite scary. I never now put up a Sam or Dean thread as it is so damn stressful which was another reason why this blog was invented. Its my safety net. My own escapism where I can retreat to and dictate the topic of conversation. I rarely post a thread these days as much as I did. One reason is that you put so much thought behind starting a debate and your questions don’t really get fully answered. It also doesn’t get the replies that it deserves because of the thought that originally went into it, also again because its not controversial enough. So it doesn’t always get noticed. Also during busy periods your thread just gets lost in the hype of activity.
Thanks for the comments always.
Love Aunty B xxxxx
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It’s either brother bashing
One brother in particular name beginning with the letter S
Its absolutely NOT canon. Canon is that they love each like FAMILY. I actually like Cas a lot and I try to ignore the shippers. I read a post somewhere all about how they want Dean to “come out” .
This will never happen. I like both characters but not in this way 😉
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Oh, I know it won’t, but some crazies say that it is already canon and they are just hiding it so they can reveal it in the series finale! LOL 🙂
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Oh, I know it won’t, but some crazies say that it is already canon and they are just hiding it so they can reveal it in the series finale! LOL
Barmy that’s all I can say. It just won’t happen. They have a bond and that’s as far as it goes.
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over analyzing
This drives me NUUUUUUUUUTTTTTTTTTTTTTS.
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Crowley’s lines were written so well- keeping in character, bringing up nicknames, singing. Is Crowley really a lover- Naomi? Date with Jodi? And he deserves to be loved- all you need is love….See my other response regarding Dean’s list of Sam’s worst moment/.decisions in his life like a laundry list. As far as Dean’s face, I think he just does not take so seriously the dumb tricks he pulls on people while Sam is so serious and probably Dean has done such stupid stuff as a teenager(go back to the flashback when they were at Truman High) that he can’t remember clearly who did what and why has Sam remembered everything so clearly(the trials or just a younger sibling who idolizes his older brother’s every move until he(Sam) himself grows up and realizes that Dean is not perfect, but in his opinion Dean is better off without Sam). Dean is about getting the job done- it is pure. Chop off the head and move on. Put it back together and do the exorcism. Sam is the one who reacts and says. should we? this is disgusting.Is there another way. So Dean’s reaction, is Jensen’s take on Dean not over thinking what needs to be confessed. Has he had experience in the confessional so that he knows how to advise Sam? No he says he is”spitballing it”. Intent vs. impact. Anyway that is my opinion. See other response for commentary on writing well.
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Crowley’s lines were written so well- keeping in character, bringing up nicknames, singing. Is Crowley really a lover- Naomi? Date with Jodi? And he deserves to be loved- all you need is love….
That speech was so strong and very moving. Boy Mark knows how to act. Did he really feel for Naomi, did he loose out on her love? And was he reaching out to Jodi or was this all part of the act, to get her to play along with his game.
See my other response regarding Dean’s list of Sam’s worst moment/.decisions in his life like a laundry list. As far as Dean’s face, I think he just does not take so seriously the dumb tricks he pulls on people while Sam is so serious and probably Dean has done such stupid stuff as a teenager (go back to the flashback when they were at Truman High) that he can’t remember clearly who did what and why has Sam remembered everything so clearly(the trials or just a younger sibling who idolizes his older brother’s every move until he(Sam) himself grows up and realizes that Dean is not perfect, but in his opinion Dean is better off without Sam). Dean is about getting the job done- it is pure. Chop off the head and move on. Put it back together and do the exorcism. Sam is the one who reacts and says. should we? this is disgusting.Is there another way. So Dean’s reaction, is Jensen’s take on Dean not over thinking what needs to be confessed. Has he had experience in the confessional so that he knows how to advise Sam? No he says he is” spit-balling it”. Intent vs. impact. Anyway that is my opinion. See other response for commentary on writing well.
From what I can make of your analize is that Dean does have a firm strong role, in that he is the one there for his brother, the one who guides him, and gets him out of sticky situations. So in effect we have had both brothers doing not so great things in life, but its how one comes out of it, and deals with it all? So the decisions Sam has made in his life haven’t always been the best, but Dean still loves him regardless.
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Liked your list of moments you disliked. For me they were moments I hated for emotional reasons but loved for the series and the characters to go to the next season. One correction, and I had to watch it 2x’s to catch it- Abaddon’s meat suit was burned with the holy water(which we see Sam placing in the trunk earlier before Dean leaves) but she smoked out, so is still wandering the earth and boy is she going to be after S and D and C’s job. Pretty sure Cas is going to have his memory based on what I have heard from the convention this wkend, it is true. It cannot be Jimmy Novack, as he was killed in the warehouse seasons ago to save his daughter from being the vessel. Angels falling- did Metatron take their grace as well b/c a fallen angel is typically one without grace. Redefining the canon on angels. Cas is mortal so he must have a soul now. And Bobby upstairs, is he going to reappear and fight upstairs as he said he would? Yes, Carver really made us fee Sam’s sense of worthlessness and perception of himself, no wonder he escaped to fantasy land and hooked up with Amelia- not looking for Dean- one more failure in his life. We have been lead through Dean’s low opinion of himself on purpose this year so we would not see Sam’s agony. Sam’s agony is what has made him OOC all season. Yes, I give kudos to everyone from Carver, to the art direction, make up, and actors, but J and J, especially JP were spectacular. One of the finest finales. And, yes I think Carver has reinvented the series for our familiar characters, if the network doesn’t deep six the program with its change in schedule for next year.
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Liked your list of moments you disliked. For me they were moments I hated for emotional reasons but loved for the series and the characters to go to the next season. One correction, and I had to watch it 2x’s to catch it- Abaddon’s meat suit was burned with the holy water(which we see Sam placing in the trunk earlier before Dean leaves) but she smoked out, so is still wandering the earth and boy is she going to be after S and D and C’s job.
Thank you debbab. It was one cliff hanger they did it again. I have gathered this now about Abaddon she is still around on earth. The boys and Crowley had better watch out. Well didn’t she want to discuss the regime with Crowley 😉
Pretty sure Cas is going to have his memory based on what I have heard from the convention this weekend, it is true. It cannot be Jimmy Novack, as he was killed in the warehouse seasons ago to save his daughter from being the vessel. Angels falling
Which state are they in this week any idea? I must catch up with the convention stuff, today. So if the vessel is nothing now where does this Leave Cas if he is human on earth will that meat-suit start to disintegrate?
did Metatron take their grace as well b/c a fallen angel is typically one without grace. Redefining the canon on angels. Cas is mortal so he must have a soul now. And Bobby upstairs, is he going to reappear and fight upstairs as he said he would?
I can’t get my head around this one. As how can 1 angel do that amount of disruption and damage to heaven. What did he have to do to make them ALL fall. Yes I presume Cas now being human will have a soul also. Will he act more human or a real mix of the two? So Jim B is on his way back. OMG flashback moments.
Yes, Carver really made us fee Sam’s sense of worthlessness and perception of himself, no wonder he escaped to fantasy land and hooked up with Amelia- not looking for Dean- one more failure in his life. We have been lead through Dean’s low opinion of himself on purpose this year so we would not see Sam’s agony. Sam’s agony is what has made him OOC all season. Yes, I give kudos to everyone from Carver, to the art direction, make up, and actors, but J and J, especially JP were spectacular. One of the finest finales. And, yes I think Carver has reinvented the series for our familiar characters, if the network doesn’t deep six the program with its change in schedule for next year.
I hadn’t really seen it this way, so it really was an apology for not looking for Dean. Why he felt bad about Dean hocking up with Benny, and how Sam was towards him. So Jeremy did come through for us, some of us just haven’t seen the full picture yet. On the forum they are still giving Sam such a hard time.
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“What did he have to do to make them ALL fall. ”
He xast a spell-for the spell he needed-
Kill a nephilim
Cupids bow
The grace of an angel
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“What did he have to do to make them ALL fall. ”
He xast a spell-for the spell he needed-
Kill a nephilim
Cupids bow
The grace of an angel
Right! So did he need another angel help this was why he picked Cas to be apart of those spells was this why he tricked Cas?
Good to see you back satan,
Love Aunty B xxxxx
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“Right! So was this the reason Cas was involved, or was there another reason why Cas was helping Metatron?”
Cas was helping him because he thought it was the trial to close heaven that he was doing-he had NO idea it was a spell to expel all the angels from heaven.
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“Right! So was this the reason Cas was involved, or was there another reason why Cas was helping Metatron?”
Cas was helping him because he thought it was the trial to close heaven that he was doing-he had NO idea it was a spell to expel all the angels from heaven.
So again, Cas had been manipulated into doing Metatron’s work. Again this is so similar to Season 4 ending with Sam and Ruby, this is really spooky …..
Good to see you back satan,
Love Aunty B xxxxx
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Glad you enjoyed it Bella! I knew you would! 🙂 My favorite part were the scenes with Crowley gaining back humanity, the brother hug (wow four this season!) and their talk and also the whole scene with the angels falling! The part I didn’t like was Cas taking Dean away from Sam, they had their own stuff to worry about.
1.That lovely little Chapel out in the middle of no where and that scenery WOW! what a back drop. It literally took my breath away.
Me too! Loved the scenery!
4.Is Jody alive or dead?
Mark confirmed that Jody is alive at the con (yesterday I believe)
18.Sammy killing Abaddon setting her on fire WOW good on you Sammy
Abaddon isn’t dead, her smoke soul just left the body. I’m guessing the body is a goner though! lol I think Abaddon will be the Queen of Hell next season.
19.Crowley lighting up the Bunker with Kevin inside
Oh, the bunker was lighting up from the angels falling, not Crowley.
And I agree with Barb that it was just bad writing on the writers part for having Dean bring up those things so harshly. I don’t believe Dean would do that in that way.
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Glad you enjoyed it Bella! I knew you would! My favorite part were the scenes with Crowley gaining back humanity, the brother hug (wow four this season!) and their talk and also the whole scene with the angels falling! The part I didn’t like was Cas taking Dean away from Sam, they had their own stuff to worry about.
Thank you, I did. I don’t always give a ten, but I just had to offer 10 this time. For so many reasons. But had Crowley got his humanity as I thought Sam didn’t finish the trial as Dean stopped him? Another hug, were doing so well this year, I no. Those angels falling was so well done, the bright light then trickling down and you actually see the wings, WOW! I agree with that moment Dean and Cas.
1.That lovely little Chapel out in the middle of no where and that scenery WOW! what a back drop. It literally took my breath away
Me too! Loved the scenery!
I am pleased you noticed this, as they have some beautiful scenery every now and then, and this shot was perfect. It was so iry. There is something haunting about little chapels.
4.Is Jody alive or dead?
Mark confirmed that Jody is alive at the con (yesterday I believe)
Good, Phew I am so relieved about that one. What con are they at this weekend any idea? 😉
18.Sammy killing Abaddon setting her on fire WOW good on you Sammy
Abaddon isn’t dead, her smoke soul just left the body. I’m guessing the body is a goner though! lol I think Abaddon will be the Queen of Hell next season.
Yeap, barb pointed this out to me too, wasn’t sure on first viewing. I think so to. She is soooooooo EVIL.
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Respectfully, I disagree.I thought it was good writing to bring up the entire Sam history in one speech. It made Sam’s response to dying(“SO?”) more believable. Yes, I do believe Dean would say these things to Sam as he thinks Sam has been strong and handling the trials so well, that he is ready to hear it all come spewing out. It is a laundry list of Sam’s worst moments-which Dean has apparently thought they both are over- Dean saying Sam needs a chaperone is from a protective mode not a put down as Sam takes it. So when Dean speaks to Sam about how to confess, I think he thinks Sam is over these mistakes. There have been other scenes in the series where Sam overhears Dean talking about him. How long has Sam been thinking he is Dean’s burden.(If he is a burden-Dean gladly acceots it b/c he loves Sam)Boy is he wrong. Dean also wanted to make sure that Sam’s confession counted so get it all out on the table. Was G-d listening? He may not be in Heaven, but he did bring Cas back when he exploded from Lucifer, so…
The writing fed Sam’s angst which originates in what he thinks Dean thinks of him. Dean is sometimes blunt. Just as he cuts off heads without hesitation, he speaks to Sam not knowing it verifies Sam’s poor self image as a screw up who is in Dean’s way. Dean’s intent differs from its impact- how many times have we had good intent only to have the impact be so unexpected. Dean has said some blunt things before this season and they are usually a source of Sam making a face and fandom laughing at the comedic Dean-who does not think he is being funny(intent-impact). So, I thought the writing was tight.
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You said this so much more distinctly then I did in the other thread. Intent vs impact is the key here.
Dean is very blunt and nonchalant in his statements to Sam as he truly does not realize I think how Sam hangs on his every word and how his opinion of Sam shapes everything Sam does. Sam still idolizes Dean. Not as being perfect but as being better than him. And you know what? I blame John for the massive self esteem issues these boys possess. It is their thinking about themselves that has always tripped them up and gotten them into the most trouble with the world and each other.
We know, as viewers, that Dean loves him and has never thought of Sam as a burden while viewing himself as a complete failure at his one real job of protecting Sam.
Sam has always considered himself a freak and a burden that makes his brothers life miserable. This speech has been coming since season three when Dean sold his soul to save him and Sam couldn’t do anything to stop it and because of course he’s totally unworthy of that sacrifice. And Sam holds things. Hes has learned this “I’m fine “mantra through years of trying not to cause Dean trouble and be a burden and one day I wish he would realize this habit.
But hey! Little steps, you know? One day he’ll realize he’s not the bane of Deans existence and that the reason Dean doesn’t consider him a burden is because Sam is worth it.
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You said this so much more distinctly then I did in the other thread. Intent vs impact is the key here.
Dean is very blunt and nonchalant in his statements to Sam as he truly does not realize I think how Sam hangs on his every word and how his opinion of Sam shapes everything Sam does. Sam still idolizes Dean. Not as being perfect but as being better than him. And you know what? I blame John for the massive self esteem issues these boys possess. It is their thinking about themselves that has always tripped them up and gotten them into the most trouble with the world and each other.
We know, as viewers, that Dean loves him and has never thought of Sam as a burden while viewing himself as a complete failure at his one real job of protecting Sam.
Sam has always considered himself a freak and a burden that makes his brothers life miserable. This speech has been coming since season three when Dean sold his soul to save him and Sam couldn’t do anything to stop it and because of course he’s totally unworthy of that sacrifice. And Sam holds things. Hes has learned this “I’m fine “mantra through years of trying not to cause Dean trouble and be a burden and one day I wish he would realize this habit.
But hey! Little steps, you know? One day he’ll realize he’s not the bane of Deans existence and that the reason Dean doesn’t consider him a burden is because Sam is worth it.
This pattern and story is becoming clearer to me now. Yes Ikeke I blame John for a lot. Sam has always bottled things up and is a terrible habit he has. He so looks up to Dean and when he doesn’t he feels as though he’s let himself down as well as Dean. I am so proud of these writers for showing us this, as its really stayed true to canon after all.
Thanks for the comments.
Love Aunty B xxxxx
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You said this so much more distinctly then I did in the other thread. Intent vs impact is the key here.
Dean is very blunt and nonchalant in his statements to Sam as he truly does not realize I think how Sam hangs on his every word and how his opinion of Sam shapes everything Sam does. Sam still idolizes Dean. Not as being perfect but as being better than him. And you know what? I blame John for the massive self esteem issues these boys possess. It is their thinking about themselves that has always tripped them up and gotten them into the most trouble with the world and each other.
We know, as viewers, that Dean loves him and has never thought of Sam as a burden while viewing himself as a complete failure at his one real job of protecting Sam.
Sam has always considered himself a freak and a burden that makes his brothers life miserable. This speech has been coming since season three when Dean sold his soul to save him and Sam couldn’t do anything to stop it and because of course he’s totally unworthy of that sacrifice. And Sam holds things. Hes has learned this “I’m fine “mantra through years of trying not to cause Dean trouble and be a burden and one day I wish he would realize this habit.
But hey! Little steps, you know? One day he’ll realize he’s not the bane of Deans existence and that the reason Dean doesn’t consider him a burden is because Sam is worth it.
I am loving how this story is unfolding and how we are all seeing things. Also that the boys are finally on the same page. As you say Ikeke tiny little steps. See my message to debbab will say what I’m thinking. Don’t want to repeat myself 😉
Thanks for the comments.
Love Aunty B xxxxx
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Respectfully, I disagree.I thought it was good writing to bring up the entire Sam history in one speech. It made Sam’s response to dying(“SO?”) more believable. Yes, I do believe Dean would say these things to Sam as he thinks Sam has been strong and handling the trials so well, that he is ready to hear it all come spewing out. It is a laundry list of Sam’s worst moments-which Dean has apparently thought they both are over- Dean saying Sam needs a chaperon is from a protective mode not a put down as Sam takes it. So when Dean speaks to Sam about how to confess, I think he thinks Sam is over these mistakes. There have been other scenes in the series where Sam overhears Dean talking about him. How long has Sam been thinking he is Dean’s burden.(If he is a burden-Dean gladly accepts it b/c he loves Sam)Boy is he wrong. Dean also wanted to make sure that Sam’s confession counted so get it all out on the table. Was G-d listening? He may not be in Heaven, but he did bring Cas back when he exploded from Lucifer, so…
So Dean was really being that Big Older BROTHER. He was in his own way forcing Sam to come to terms with his own inner demons? But why has it taken Sam all these years to fess up? He’s been depressed about these feelings before, so why in particular has it come to a head now?
The writing fed Sam’s angst which originates in what he thinks Dean thinks of him. Dean is sometimes blunt. Just as he cuts off heads without hesitation, he speaks to Sam not knowing it verifies Sam’s poor self image as a screw up who is in Dean’s way. Dean’s intent differs from its impact- how many times have we had good intent only to have the impact be so unexpected. Dean has said some blunt things before this season and they are usually a source of Sam making a face and fandom laughing at the comedic Dean-who does not think he is being funny(intent-impact). So, I thought the writing was tight.
So Sam’s strange behavior all season this season in particular has been because he feels worthless in his brothers eyes? So Sam technically has not been so out of character he has been in character and Dean just bought it all to ahead. So his confession in the box, was really an apology more than many realize.
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Love Aunty B xxxxx
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Well,a lot of things have brought this to a head. Sam has always been this way but he hasn’t had the opportunity to really confront this since he came back from hell. He’s been dealing with soullessness and insanity and the deaths of their friends. The hits just kept coming and he may not even have been aware of just what was bubbling beneath his surface. People aren’t always aware of what’s troubling them. They just know they’re depressed or upset but not necessarily why.
The illness of the trials has brought Sam a great deal of clarity so being at his absolute weakest coupled with the clarity is what brought it out, imo.
My greatest hope is that the brothers build on this as a way towards healing their inner demons and making peace with their lives and each other.
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Well,a lot of things have brought this to a head. Sam has always been this way but he hasn’t had the opportunity to really confront this since he came back from hell. He’s been dealing with soullessness and insanity and the deaths of their friends. The hits just kept coming and he may not even have been aware of just what was bubbling beneath his surface. People aren’t always aware of what’s troubling them. They just know they’re depressed or upset but not necessarily why.
The illness of the trials has brought Sam a great deal of clarity so being at his absolute weakest coupled with the clarity is what brought it out, imo.
I think in a lot of ways its done Sam a lot of inner good. He has I think come to terms with how he really feels inside. Those demons had really gotten hold of him on the inside and tore him apart. How Sam is still alive with all this guilt I shall never no. People say Dean has a number of layers, I think Sam equally has a number. He is just as flawed as Dean. He doesn’t always show his emotions, which is not a good thing as look for him how its turned out.
My greatest hope is that the brothers build on this as a way towards healing their inner demons and making peace with their lives and each other.
I applaud you there Ikeke 🙂 People need to open up and this just broke the camels back, and Sam was cut up into tiny little pieces. He was already distraught when Dean went to Purgatory and had to contend with that. Imagine what he feels like now. I am pleased Jeremy has gone this way, as I think this time the angst has done them a power of good, not bad. As they are learning to like each other again, and no what it feels like to be BROTHERS!
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Love Aunty B xxxxx
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Yeah, we think Dean has a huge load of baggage. It’s nothing compared to what Sam carries and Sam holds it in so tight all the time. We rarely get to see under his surface unless he’s in one of his weaker moments or Dean calls him out on it, which he rarely does. Dean usually just lets him be. I think Dean is often fooled by Sam’s stoicism as much as we are.
I think I mentioned on another message board that I wanted to see Sam express his feelings more instead of having his feelings told to us through other people (that was the mistake they made with Amelia, leading a lot of people to believe that Sam didn’t care that Dean was gone.)
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Yeah, we think Dean has a huge load of baggage. It’s nothing compared to what Sam carries and Sam holds it in so tight all the time. We rarely get to see under his surface unless he’s in one of his weaker moments or Dean calls him out on it, which he rarely does. Dean usually just lets him be. I think Dean is often fooled by Sam’s stoicism as much as we are.
This is what gets me about others that they seem to think Dean is much worse off. But both have just as much baggage as each other. They think that Sam doesn’t have any woes or pent up aggression. People take a closer look. This has been brewing for seasons. Sam has taken on so much on those shoulders of his, I am pleased to finally see he is releasing those inner feelings and letting out those demons. His body needs a good old spring clean in more ways than one 😉 It needs moments like this though to off load that emotion onto someone else. I think Dean has been that life line, the Councillor if you like to call him that.
I think I mentioned on another message board that I wanted to see Sam express his feelings more instead of having his feelings told to us through other people (that was the mistake they made with Amelia, leading a lot of people to believe that Sam didn’t care that Dean was gone.)
Yes, Amelia should never have existed, I think that was the worst thing they ever really did was bring her on board. It didn’t help and think it made matters worse, and probably released further bad feelings in his head. Was she actually bought in as a smoke screen, to allow Sam block his past feelings out about Dean? that thought just occurred to me. When you think about it what did Amelia really achieve, what was her role exactly? If there was no supernatural behind Sam or Amelia, was this the mature Sam, Carver was on about?
Thanks for the post, always ……
Love Aunty B xxxxx
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So happy you enjoyed the episode! Wasnt Mark Shephard excellent? I finally got to rewatch with my husband -who is NOT part of the “fandom”-and it was refreshing to see it through his eyes. Even he teared up when Sam said you know what I was sorry for, all the times I let you down!
Were you yelling at the tv-NOOOO JODY ITS THE KING OF HELL! RUN!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
“6.Crowley biting Sam setting him up to bring in Abaddon”
I actually liked that scene. The king up to his old tricks!
“18.Sammy killing Abaddon setting her on fire WOW good on you Sammy”
I agree, great job Sammy! But you do know shes not dead? her smoke escaped!
“7.The boys faces as they arrived back at Bobby’s junk yard a familiar haunt”
I cried………..
“8.The signing of the agenda rant & the handcuffing Crowley moment in Bobby’s junk yard.”
This was one of my favorite moments! Sam and Dean working together… making believe they are fighting and getting the jump on Crowley-Youre our bitch!
“19.Crowley lighting up the Bunker with Kevin inside”
Very cool image! But I think it was happening because the angels were falling not Crowley
“10.Cas saying to Dean is it wise to drink on the job”
What show have you been watching!? My hubby and I laughed out loud!
“2.Dean how could you throw all that back at Sam you could have handled that moment so much better I felt bad for Sam, Ruby, Lilith, Not looking for me etc”
this is on the writers-should have been written differently IMHO
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So happy you enjoyed the episode! Wasn’t Mark Sheppard excellent? I finally got to re-watch with my husband -who is NOT part of the “fandom”-and it was refreshing to see it through his eyes. Even he teared up when Sam said you know what I was sorry for, all the times I let you down!
I can’t fully describe how I feel about Mark. He is such a strong actor under pressure and he still acts as cool as a cucumber. I think Mark over the years deserves to be a well known actor, he is in a league on his own. Did you see him on Dr.Who. I said to my brother that’s Mark Sheppard. He didn’t even no who I was talking about 😉 Did Crowley help Sam when Abaddon threw him through the church window? I hope they never kill Crowley I will be so distraught.
Were you yelling at the TV-NOOOO JODY ITS THE KING OF HELL! RUN!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
God yes, I thought there was something really different about her appearance this time. Had she had a hair cut? I love her acting she is so good.
“6.Crowley biting Sam setting him up to bring in Abaddon”
I actually liked that scene. The king up to his old tricks!
True, but I was so surprised he would bite I mean bite someone. Never seen him do that before. Sam has but not Crowley.
“18.Sammy killing Abaddon setting her on fire WOW good on you Sammy”
I agree, great job Sammy! But you do know shes not dead? her smoke escaped!
I realize this now, on first viewing sometimes your not 100% sure.
“7.The boys faces as they arrived back at Bobby’s junk yard a familiar haunt”
I cried………..
I believe I welled up too particularly looking at Dean. Oh, those weeds.
“8.The signing of the agenda rant & the handcuffing Crowley moment in Bobby’s junk yard.”
This was one of my favorite moments! Sam and Dean working together… making believe they are fighting and getting the jump on Crowley-You’re our bitch!
Spot on barb, they for once had the upper hand over him, and for once he looked rather spooked. He was backed into a corner good and proper. Nice work boys …. I also love the Squirrel and Moose comments. I always laugh ….
“10.Cas saying to Dean is it wise to drink on the job”
What show have you been watching!? My hubby and I laughed out loud!
I wrote it down, as Cas said to Dean at the bar. The very first scene you saw them talking.
“2.Dean how could you throw all that back at Sam you could have handled that moment so much better I felt bad for Sam, Ruby, Lilith, Not looking for me etc”
this is on the writers-should have been written differently IMHO
I did wonder barb;) Also Dean said to Sam about his school date, and Sam looked at him and said something like, and that was your date not mine, that look on Jensen’s face was so unusual, couldn’t make it out.
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““10.Cas saying to Dean is it wise to drink on the job”
What show have you been watching!? My hubby and I laughed out loud!
I wrote it down, as Cas said to Dean at the bar. The very first scene you saw them talking. ”
No that was the line Dean said! Cas says should you be drinking onthe job and Dean says-what show have you been watching? LOL
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““10.Cas saying to Dean is it wise to drink on the job”
What show have you been watching!? My hubby and I laughed out loud!
I wrote it down, as Cas said to Dean at the bar. The very first scene you saw them talking. ”
No that was the line Dean said! Cas says should you be drinking on the job and Dean says-what show have you been watching? LOL
I saw that wrong didn’t I!!! duh 😉 I need to watch again, I can’t put this finale out of my mind.
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How I spent my summer hellatus : watching Burn Notice and True Blood and recovering from that finale. I think I’m still more than a little discombobulated by it. I should be okay by October.
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How I spent my summer hellatus : watching Burn Notice and True Blood and recovering from that finale. I think I’m still more than a little discombobulated by it. I should be okay by October.
I don’t unfortunately watch Burn Notice, I used to watch True Blood but lost out on the scheduling path in the UK last time I viewed True Blood was when Sookie went off with the fairies, realizing she was one after all.
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Love Aunty B xxxxx
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“How I spent my summer hellatus : watching Burn Notice and True Blood and recovering from that finale. I think I’m still more than a little discombobulated by it. I should be okay by October.”
Ive been watching True Blood from the very beginning. I actually got HBO JUST for that show (-:. My favorite seasons are 1 and 2, after that it went downhiol for me, butbeing a fan Im hoping this season makes it up to me. Hey we only get 10 episodes this season! Grrrrr You should try watching Grimm. Its almost over for this season but its gotten much better as times gone by.
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I’ve been watching True Blood from the very beginning. I actually got HBO JUST for that show (-:. My favorite seasons are 1 and 2, after that it went downhill for me, but being a fan Im hoping this season makes it up to me. Hey we only get 10 episodes this season! Grrrrr You should try watching Grimm. Its almost over for this season but its gotten much better as times gone by.
I lost out on True Blood because of scheduling It got a bit boring as it was mainly about Vampires. I like variety. I did however watch Grimm and it for some reason didn’t appeal to me. But might give it another go.
Thanks for the post, always ……
Love Aunty B xxxxx
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