So are we any further forward?

I am still a little half empty kind of girl who isn’t sure whether Sam apologized to Dean for not looking for him. My mind is in a turmoil, not fully understanding the confession and what really happened. Are we to assume that Sam was feeling worthless because he could never live up to his brother and could never do anything right in his eyes.

Did Sam really apologize?

I think Dean grew to no how Sam was really feeling and why he felt so depressed about himself. But was it in all truth, an out right apology?  Did the confession go in some way to build those bridges between them. What were the writers really trying to put across. Just because he asked for forgiveness is this really enough. He didn’t direct this at the person he should have, Dean.

So with an empty confession box does this make the object of the exercise null and void. Is a confession an apology two different things? As one confesses to ease ones burdens, so has Sam really fulfilled in this task? Did it count? Or was the whole point of his “confession” was to finish the third trial. It wasn’t about “confessing” to Dean. So did the big ‘bro-ment’ come about as a result of the actions of the third trial, Was it a heat of the moment discussion that was incidental to the confession that Sam made. So did the confession have any real impact. It threw me off guard trying to work out the whole confession, perhaps my angels might shed some light on this one. 

Was it what we really wanted to hear? ........
Was it what we really wanted to hear? ……..

Why are the writers continuously portraying Sam in this manner, that he does continue to make mistakes. Is there something that the writers like to see in Sam that this guy is a hero but creates all these problems along the way. Why does Sam always seem to draw the short straw. Can Sam truly recover from this syndrome, that he feels he can’t live up to his brothers expectations. If in fact there were any. Had Sam been working himself up, for no real reason all his life. Was Sam in his own little world where he felt he couldn’t do a damn thing about it. 

Can the boys work through this and repair those bridges .....
Can the boys work through this and repair those bridges …..

So how do you all feel now the finale has panned out. Has this bugging issue Sam not looking for Dean really, truly and honestly been resolved. Or will we get to taste it in the premier  Has it all fully come to a head yet. Type away my little angels, as Aunty B is so wanting to reply. 

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  1. Oops. Forgot to address the ‘confession’. If the confession is meant to purify Sam and thus his blood, his explanation, to Dean, of what he confessed made no sense. I guess you could asked God to forgive you for letting someone else down. But confession is more about asking God to forgive you for sins against Him. I also thinks Sam knows this and said a lot more than his feelings of guilt regarding Dean. The guild may have been weighing heavy, but more had to be said.
    I don’t think he told Dean the full story, they both always keep something back. He was in that confession box for some time, so we never even saw a peak of what he said, just what he relayed back to Dean. I guess the writers were thinking the confession box is a private place to share your deepest secrets, so with this thought again, I doubt we would have seen it all. Which left a lot of it up to our own imaginations ….

    Thank you for the comments,
    Love Aunty B xxxx

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  2. I’m not sure anything has been resolved between Sam and Dean. When Dean dropped his reminders for Sam to confess, this seemed a dig more than a just helpful information. Why Sam would not have searched for Dean is beyond us all, but I think Sam is not at peace about anything.
    Sam not looking for Dean was a terrible way to write Sam I am beginning to get my head around Sam more now, and am beginning to see why he didn’t look for him. In some ways it was in character which still alarms me, so the writers were being true to his character, we think which is debatable. It will certainly take the writers a lot of hard work to get Sam back on an even keel again. So that he can rest easy with himself. I don’t no how they are going to go about this though.

    Even though he committed himself to hunting life in earlier seasons, this does not mean he can’t change his mind. His makeup has always been different that Dean’s. Dean is a natural hunter, where Sam is a natural…Egghead/bookworm/genius. Are the two mutually exclusive? No. Sam could use his powers for the good of killing monster, but is there more to life than that. This is a question which has been plaguing Sam since long before the Dean comes to get him at Stanford.
    I think your right, Sam has always been a ditherer and can’t seem to settle into anything for very long. Even college he pulled out of to go back into hunting. I think bringing in this whole Men of letters legacy was a good thing for Sam as that came at the right time, and helped him focus on something new but was still connect to hunting. I think that was nice work by the writers.

    Nearly 10 years later with ton of heartache and pain, is it time for Sam to hang up his shotgun?
    I don’t think any of us know the answer to this one. But Sammy certainly has been through the mill. I think he’s always tried to give up the game, but something or someone has always pulled him back. This season was no exception. He tried this again and failed.

    Dean doesn’t make easy for Sam either. Dean has lost his father; his mentor, disciplinarian, and leader. Given that loss, he has nothing to keep him going other than his brother who has rejected the life his father gave them. Over the seasons, there have been times when Sam wants to leave, but Dean convinces(guilt, blackmail, and other legitimate reasons) him to stay. I hesitate to call it co-dependency, but there is an insecurity in Dean that only his brother is able to keep at bay.

    It’s a strange psychological situation. If Sam left for good, would Dean quit too or keep hunting? Another way to say it is does Dean need the security of Sam’s presence to keep hunting because he is too scare to stop? Does Dean know who he is if he is not a hunter? Sam knows who he is without hunting which is why has show more and more misery over the last two seasons. He has every right to want to quit. Tangent over. 🙂
    Again I think you raised that in your previous paragraph. I think its embedded in Dean its part of him where Sam is the rebellious one, who doesn’t want any part of it, but came along for the ride. I think Sam is driven by Dean, I think Dean fuels Sam like petrol in a car, one cannot work without the other. Sam’s tried to give up but nine times out of ten always comes back because Dean has driven him back. I think he struggles more with the real life scenario than Dean, as it doesn’t seem to bother him as much as it does Sam. The are two very different sides to a coin, and it couldn’t have been easy for Sam to come back into the fold this time. I think it did him good to have a long break, and helped fuel his fire and gain respect for the job again.

    All that said, Dean has power over Sam that Sam is not willing to reject. Because if he did, the show would end. However, I would love to see a scene where Dean isn’t quilting Sam, but truly trying to understand his desire to quit. Dean has perpetually scoffed at, felt betrayed, by Sam leaving the family business in the first place. I’d like to see more humility from Dean and more strength of will from Sam. I hope we get it in season 9.
    I think he did have a heart with Sam this year about saying that he could never give up like him and he admired him for at least having the balls to try. Good points, I think Dean is understanding Sam’s feelings a lot more now after the finale. Its given him a better perspective about whats going on in his brothers head. It must also be tough for Dean to see his brother in such a state when all his troubles are about him. So I can see both sides. Sam should speak out more often, and not bottle his anger up, which is his worst downfall, always has been. Sam’s weakness is Dean, and vice versa, so lets hope that the writers given them both something meaty to come back too. We want to see harmony, no more angsty moments getting tired of those.

    Thank you for the comments,
    Love Aunty B xxxx

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    1. I think in the first episode after Sam tells Dean hes given up hunting Dean is OK with going ti alone. Hes shocked when Sam says ok lets make a plan to find Kevin. He was ready to go about the family business himself. Also in the past when Sam has left manyof the times he comes back on his own…Dean never begs him to come back he lets him decideon his own.

      ” Does Dean know who he is if he is not a hunter?”
      Dean knows exactly who he is-a hunter “pure” and simple. imho

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  3. I thought it was beautiful because it delved deeper than just not looking for Dean. It included every way in which Sam felt he had let Dean down.
    1) I mean Sam tried desperately to get Dean out of the “cage” and he failed because no demon would deal. Although he tried, we all saw it, Sam still felt like he had let Dean down.
    2) I even think Sam blamed himself for soulless!Sam even though it wasn’t he fault. He even tried fixing some of the soulless!Sam mistakes as he started learning about them.
    3) Perhaps even going to Stanford then became a reason he felt he’d let him down.
    4) Maybe even his own death in AHBL because it led Dean to make that deal.
    5) Obviously choosing Ruby over Dean… Even though Sam thought he was doing the right thing and also protecting Dean because he knew how powerful Lilith was. He was going to go after her and in a sense risk his life because of how powerful she was.

    Just reasons off the top of my head that were probably included in his guilt and ways he felt he had let him down. It was such a raw and open moment between the two of them that was many seasons in the making!

    I am still in shock and awe about it! 🙂

    I just hope the writers build on that and help establish that new ground they built for the brothers relationship.

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    1. I also wanted to add that the scene made me incredibly sad for Sam. It must be excruciatingly hard to have felt all those emotions for so long. The one person he loves and cares about most, is this incredible selfless guy who is always saving his life. And it’s sad to think Sam hadn’t felt worthy of that love or as if he hadn’t earned it, or hell like he couldn’t pay back those same sacrifices to Dean.

      And it must’ve been hard for Dean to hear that too, as he is watching the person he cares about most not feel worthy of his love. Deans explanation of his love for Sam was perfection and true to his character. And I think in that moment Dean sees how much his little brother is still seeking his approval and love. Regardless of ones age, some tbings never change. We still seek the love of the people we look up to and love most.

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      1. I also wanted to add that the scene made me incredibly sad for Sam. It must be excruciatingly hard to have felt all those emotions for so long. The one person he loves and cares about most, is this incredible selfless guy who is always saving his life. And it’s sad to think Sam hadn’t felt worthy of that love or as if he hadn’t earned it, or hell like he couldn’t pay back those same sacrifices to Dean.
        Sam has always been the one to pent up his emotions, so this had not surprised me. As I myself am similar to Sam. I bottle stuff up then release it through my emotions I cry like a baby. So I could see where he was coming from. When you also think about it all they have is each other. They get each other but have arguments like any married couple do. They are so fearful of loosing each other and being alone. So they at the end of the day have very similar feelings about each other. So that speech was very moving and heartfelt there is no doubt about this. This is the Winchester brothers after all 😉

        And it must’ve been hard for Dean to hear that too, as he is watching the person he cares about most not feel worthy of his love. Deans explanation of his love for Sam was perfection and true to his character. And I think in that moment Dean sees how much his little brother is still seeking his approval and love. Regardless of ones age, some things never change. We still seek the love of the people we look up to and love most.
        These boys are like two sides of a coin, one side you have one brother, flip the coin and you have the other staring back at him. I think this is so like other family members as siblings must feel this day in day out. So inspiration for this show came from some where. Some siblings look up to their father or mother and others look up to their siblings, so its not uncommon, but its how Jeremy has put those words together, and how he has bought Sam’s inner demons to a head, what he is really worried and concerned about and how he really deals with those deep inner feelings. I think he’s done a pretty good job on the whole. 😉

        Thanks for the post, always ……
        Love Aunty B xxxxx

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    2. I thought it was beautiful because it delved deeper than just not looking for Dean. It included every way in which Sam felt he had let Dean down.
      1) I mean Sam tried desperately to get Dean out of the “cage” and he failed because no demon would deal. Although he tried, we all saw it, Sam still felt like he had let Dean down
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      This was what this whole confession was about why Sam see’s himself as a failure, because he has never been able to save Dean. This was why so many of us were banking on Sam saving Dean from Purgatory. Because we really wanted him to come out on top. And we got lumbered with Amelia. So in some ways yes I guess he was digging deep in his soul for an answer. But I still think the writers could have perhaps gone a tad further and never bought in Amelia, it was the worst thing he could have done.

      2) I even think Sam blamed himself for soulless!Sam even though it wasn’t he fault. He even tried fixing some of the soulless!Sam mistakes as he started learning about them.
      Yes, I have got this Sam when he got his soul back wanted to put back the wrongs he had done, because he felt in his heart it was him doing those terrible things.

      3) Perhaps even going to Stanford then became a reason he felt he’d let him down
      Yes, Sam’s inner feelings have steamed back years, which is why he’s bottled this stuff up year in year out, they have mounted up. His feelings are so pent up, and anger has basically boiled out. He knows what he’s done and was making attempts to put it write. But I don’t think the writers fully got that message out. I can see how some of Season 8 has come out but not all of it. There is a firm pattern building over the seasons and just wished they had finished that tiny detail.

      4) Maybe even his own death in AHBL because it led Dean to make that deal.
      This is all pent up aggression too.

      5) Obviously choosing Ruby over Dean… Even though Sam thought he was doing the right thing and also protecting Dean because he knew how powerful Lilith was. He was going to go after her and in a sense risk his life because of how powerful she was.
      I hadn’t thought of this that way. 😉 I thought at the time he was wanting to get away from Dean because he felt he was suffocating him and needed space.

      Just reasons off the top of my head that were probably included in his guilt and ways he felt he had let him down. It was such a raw and open moment between the two of them that was many seasons in the making!
      I think Jeremy had done his home work, he knew how to pull at our heart strings, and he delved back to bring something as big as this to ahead. All the angst they’ve been through has in many ways paid off.

      I am still in shock and awe about it!
      Me too, my head is still mush. I must watch it again today. Is Sam going to die or not?

      I just hope the writers build on that and help establish that new ground they built for the brothers relationship.
      Yes, 100% agree. They have established these boundaries and must stick to them. Perhaps now we might see a very different Sam and Dean during season 9 we can dream can’t we …. 🙂

      Thanks for the post, always ……
      Love Aunty B xxxxx

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  4. We are definitely further forward. I don’t think it matters if it wasn’t exactly what we wanted or if we, personally would consider it an apology, or enough from Sam. What matters, I’ve come to realize, is if it was enough for DEAN. And it was. Dean understood what Sam was saying. Dean could see that Sam has always wanted to make him proud. And Sam could see that Dean never honestly put anyone before Sam and he is the most important person in his life. So I think we need to look away from what WE would deem an acceptable apology and realize that what was said in the finale was perfect and enough for both brothers.

    If Sam wasn’t being genuine, then Dean would have known. Same the other way around. They know each other best and what Sam said to Dean, was enough for him. They are back on the same page and in my opinion, better than ever. The scene with them together on the ground by the Impala was the perfect way to showcase that they are in this together, a complete turn around from the finale of season 4.

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    1. We are definitely further forward. I don’t think it matters if it wasn’t exactly what we wanted or if we, personally would consider it an apology, or enough from Sam. What matters, I’ve come to realize, is if it was enough for DEAN. And it was. Dean understood what Sam was saying. Dean could see that Sam has always wanted to make him proud. And Sam could see that Dean never honestly put anyone before Sam and he is the most important person in his life. So I think we need to look away from what WE would deem an acceptable apology and realize that what was said in the finale was perfect and enough for both brothers.
      Perfect, beautifully put too. I had sensed this so I am please I was thinking along the right lines. I knew in my own mind that Dean knew how bad Sam felt about a lot of things in his life, but it was just the way the writers put it across especially the Ruby moment and Sam needing to be chaperoned. I can see why it was said but just felt bad for Sam as he was trying to come to terms with how he was really feeling, he desperately wanted closure and the trial gave him that focus. Why did they honestly bring in Benny and Amelia, both boys thank good are now back together.

      If Sam wasn’t being genuine, then Dean would have known. Same the other way around. They know each other best and what Sam said to Dean, was enough for him. They are back on the same page and in my opinion, better than ever. The scene with them together on the ground by the Impala was the perfect way to showcase that they are in this together, a complete turn around from the finale of season 4.
      He would have you’re so right there. He knew Sam was soulless and wasn’t him. It was similar to season 4 and could see that mirror image shining back at me. But this time something good came from it all, they felt united and at peace finally.

      Thanks for the post, always ……
      Love Aunty B xxxxx

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      1. “Sam needing to be chaperoned”

        Sam caught the tail end of the conversation-Dean had every reason to want someone to stay with Sam-Hell, I wanted him to and my husband kept yelling oh no dont leave him alone with Crowley!
        I think like Ive already said the writers failed making Dean list losing his soul. I would have felt better if he said -letting me believe you were dead for a year. Sam logically should have known that he should have told him. He told him easy enough when he needed his help.All jmho!

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        1. Yes, Dean didn’t mean it in a negative way. He just never wants to let Sam out of his sight, he was worried for Sam and knew how sick Sam was. Sam just walked in to hear the very end and thought Dean was looking down on him.

          With “letting me believe you were dead” that still wasn’t SAM. Sam had no control over that. I just wish they wouldn’t have brought up the soulless thing at all. Sam was in the pit getting tortured, he had no control over what his body would do. 😦 Dean even said it in season 6, that everything his body did was not SAM so I don’t think Sam has a thing to apologize for there because he wasn’t there, but in Hell when this all happened, in Hell to save the world.

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          1. Sam didnt have his Soul but he had his brain didn’t he? Sams a really smart guy. He should have logically knew he should have told his brother he was back, I don’t think you need a soul for that, well that’s how I always thought of it. As always jmho!

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            1. I’ve always understood it as it wasn’t Sam. What makes Sam SAM is his soul, which was in the pit. It was kind of an empty body walking around. I can’t blame him for something he had no control over. (First of all, I don’t think a body can walk around without a soul, what’s up with that?)

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          2. Yes, Dean didn’t mean it in a negative way. He just never wants to let Sam out of his sight, he was worried for Sam and knew how sick Sam was. Sam just walked in to hear the very end and thought Dean was looking down on him.
            I totally get this too 100%

            With “letting me believe you were dead” that still wasn’t SAM. Sam had no control over that. I just wish they wouldn’t have brought up the soulless thing at all. Sam was in the pit getting tortured, he had no control over what his body would do. Dean even said it in season 6, that everything his body did was not SAM so I don’t think Sam has a thing to apologize for there because he wasn’t there, but in Hell when this all happened, in Hell to save the world.
            This is so true he didn’t have any control when he was soulless, the writers shouldn’t have gone there it was a weak excuse.

            Thanks for the post, always ……
            Love Aunty B xxxxx

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        2. “Sam needing to be chaperoned”
          Sam caught the tail end of the conversation-Dean had every reason to want someone to stay with Sam-Hell, I wanted him to and my husband kept yelling oh no don’t leave him alone with Crowley!I think like I’ve already said the writers failed making Dean list losing his soul. I would have felt better if he said-letting me believe you were dead for a year. Sam logically should have known that he should have told him. He told him easy enough when he needed his help.All Jmho!

          Yes I got that he walked in on the tail end of the conversation I guess Dean was just protecting his little bro. 😉 I felt that too about bringing up his soul as Sam had no control what so ever about this. That was naughty from the writers point of view. That’s what I can’t get my head around, he knows but why didn’t he do something about it at the time. It’s really odd, like the writers have thrown something out there, a real spanner in the works and not finished the story off. I would have felt better if he said-letting me believe you were dead for a year. I totally agree. Even also if they said that Sam registered that he had some sort of breakdown, I could have lived with this also. Sam is supposed to be the one with the brains according to the Men of letters. So why didn’t he use his brain and look.

          Thanks for the post, always ……
          Love Aunty B xxxxx

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          1. ” I would have felt better if he said-letting me believe you were dead for a year. I totally agree. Even also if they said that Sam registered that he had some sort of breakdown, I could have lived with this also”
            Exactly!

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            1. I’m sorry, I’m confused to what you guys are talking about here. Are you talking about when Sam was soulless? How could soulless Sam have breakdown? Or are you talking about when Sam was with Amelia? How would that fit with “letting me believe you were dead for a year”?

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                1. Oh, so you mean Sam shouldn’t have believed Dean was dead for a year? I agree with that, he shouldn’t have just assumed.

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                  1. Oh, so you mean Sam shouldn’t have believed Dean was dead for a year? I agree with that, he shouldn’t have just assumed.
                    Yes, because Sam would have looked, he just took it for granted that Dean was dead and didn’t even try really. So I am still no further forward 😦

                    Thanks for the post, always ……
                    Love Aunty B xxxxx

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                    1. I think we are just supposed to forget about that and chalk it up to bad writing. I think they realized they made a mistake and as I said above, as long as Sam and Dean forgive each other and are on good terms – it’s good enough for me. But yes, I don’t get the meaning behind having Sam not even TRY. Just confusing, to say the least.

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            2. ” I would have felt better if he said-letting me believe you were dead for a year. I totally agree. Even also if they said that Sam registered that he had some sort of breakdown, I could have lived with this also”
              Exactly!

              Its so annoying to think you could have written the scripts probably better, and got the message across clearer yourself 😉

              Thanks for the post, always ……
              Love Aunty B xxxxx

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  5. Nice topic to Discuss Bella. . Well i agree with you in this subject matter. . May be next season we’ll see further developments into Sam. . Otherwise posting theories how it should go, creating own ideas won’t do any good. . Lol .:-D. . Keep it up. .

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    1. Nice topic to Discuss Bella. . Well i agree with you in this subject matter. . May be next season we’ll see further developments into Sam. . Otherwise posting theories how it should go, creating own ideas won’t do any good. . Lol .:-D. . Keep it up. .
      Thank you 😉 Its still nice to think things might happen. I just hope Sam does’t suffer from the trials, I want that more than anything. He’s suffered enough. Glad you came back 🙂

      Thanks for the post, always ……
      Love Aunty B xxxxx

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  6. Who heard Sam’s confession? The church was deserted but although God is not in heaven, he has saved Cas in Swan Song, so it appears he is somewhere and maybe he was listening to Sam/ This is fine b/c in some religions one does not need an intermediary to repent. I see Sam as repenting for all the times he thinks he let Dean down, so yes he is unburdening himself and then later the same to Dean. With one word”So?” we see Sam for who he is. A vulnerable, self despising,depressed individual. He has been carrying this around all season so no wonder he acted so OOC all season, especially when he thinks Benny is replacing him entirely as a brother. If you look at past episodes this season, Sam has withstood some pretty brutal remarks by Dean. He unloads his perception of himself- Dean gives him the reality check he needs, knows he has set Sam back on his feet with some of these slams, but the reality of love, as in Swan Song, brings Sam back into Dean’s loving embrace. The Gallahad reference and this episode make sense in retrospect to the entire season of Sam being non-reactive so many times and as we saw it OOC. Sam’s confession/unloading before he does what he thinks is the correct thing to make Dean proud- don’t need an apology if you love someone so deeply- you forgive and move on as it appears Dean has done or he would not have been able to work with Sam this year and kill Benny to save him.
    Now as far as writing Sam this way, this is the basic character of Kripke’s imagination: the reluctant(I want normal) flawed hero who is introspective, admires his older brother, and wants to do good in the world but feels he has gone wrong in so many ways- he guilted himself for not saving Jessica the first year and then the slide into imperfection(beyond the demon blood) as been developing with a climax this year which was only enhanced by a fabulous makeup job. In some ways, the wall of Sam’s inner psyche came down in front of us and Dean in the finale. So will Sam work towards redemption in his own psyche in season 9 or will it be left here? The series is all about the monsters- outside and within, it is about redemption, it is about family, it is about love. It looks like Sam is affected still by the trials and something has changed as he feels each angels fall to earth, but I am still getting over this episode and cannot speculate…yet. It does appear that Misha let the info out that Cas has his memories and is mortal so this is an interesting possibility of character growth and would give Misha a broader range to act, but can you believe him? Misha is always being Misha.
    I am trying to figure out how Jensen and Deneel attended an event in LA on Fri/Sat and he is in ENgland today- Transport by angel? Private jet, probably. Daneel looks SOOOO ready to have this baby, There is a youtube video of the finale with Adele’s Sky Fall as the music. Watched it and need to breathe. Will speculate later. CHerrio.

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    1. Who heard Sam’s confession? The church was deserted but although God is not in heaven, he has saved Cas in Swan Song, so it appears he is somewhere and maybe he was listening to Sam/ This is fine b/c in some religions one does not need an intermediary to repent. I see Sam as repenting for all the times he thinks he let Dean down, so yes he is unburdening himself and then later the same to Dean. With one word”So?” we see Sam for who he is. A vulnerable, self despising, depressed individual. He has been carrying this around all season so no wonder he acted so OOC all season, especially when he thinks Benny is replacing him entirely as a brother. If you look at past episodes this season, Sam has withstood some pretty brutal remarks by Dean. He unloads his perception of himself- Dean gives him the reality check he needs, knows he has set Sam back on his feet with some of these slams, but the reality of love, as in Swan Song, brings Sam back into Dean’s loving embrace. The Galahad reference and this episode make sense in retrospect to the entire season of Sam being non-reactive so many times and as we saw it OOC. Sam’s confession/unloading before he does what he thinks is the correct thing to make Dean proud- don’t need an apology if you love someone so deeply- you forgive and move on as it appears Dean has done or he would not have been able to work with Sam this year and kill Benny to save him.
      This was what I thought in an earlier post, was god perhaps listening in. I got the whole Benny feeling very early on in the season, so I do get where he was coming from. I also get all these years he had been punishing himself inside which not many really saw or gathered. I thought so too that Dean had been particularly hard on him and wondered why. So Dean was really helping him all along? So he was OOC and we were not imagining that. I see this from Dean that he would not give up on Sam no matter what. I think for the first time they are in a good place and relaxed almost with each other. I think they have also both matured, and have come through it. Angst has certainly been tough on Sam this season.

      Now as far as writing Sam this way, this is the basic character of Kripke’s imagination: the reluctant(I want normal) flawed hero who is introspective, admires his older brother, and wants to do good in the world but feels he has gone wrong in so many ways- he guilted himself for not saving Jessica the first year and then the slide into imperfection(beyond the demon blood) as been developing with a climax this year which was only enhanced by a fabulous makeup job. In some ways, the wall of Sam’s inner psyche came down in front of us and Dean in the finale. So will Sam work towards redemption in his own psyche in season 9 or will it be left here? The series is all about the monsters- outside and within, it is about redemption, it is about family, it is about love. It looks like Sam is affected still by the trials and something has changed as he feels each angels fall to earth, but I am still getting over this episode and cannot speculate…yet. It does appear that Misha let the info out that Cas has his memories and is mortal so this is an interesting possibility of character growth and would give Misha a broader range to act, but can you believe him? Misha is always being Misha.
      I get Sam idolizes Dean he’s shown us this in the past, so there is no secret there. He adores the guy. Loosing Jessica I think was the start of it all and that may be bought it all to a head. The whole demon blood era he had those good intentions which were always there. Even though the power was demonic, he trusted himself to use that power for good, not evil. So again Sam possibly had a mini breakdown again. In a way he’s lost Dean a second time this season. I would like to see them unravel all this next season, its about time we had some of Sam’s point of view. There is a lot more I would like to understand. So bring it on season 9 …. I was picking up on this that it was about the demons out side and with in. Very clever thought process going on there by the writers. So am I there is so much to get my head around. So if he has his memories these are angel memories? So this could mean he still knows he’s an angel and not got amnesia this time. This was one reason why I wanted to see Cas human, as he has a lot of respect for humanity on the whole, and seeing him be one of us would prove to be a very interesting concept.

      I am trying to figure out how Jensen and Deneel attended an event in LA on Fri/Sat and he is in England today- Transport by angel? Private jet, probably. Daneels looks SOOOOO ready to have this baby, There is a you-tube video of the finale with Adele’s Sky Fall as the music. Watched it and need to breathe. Will speculate later. CHerrio.
      Did you know he can teleport he did with Cas this week 😉 Oh my boys here in the UK whippeeeee I forgot it was this weekend, I thought it had been and gone. He has a good day here full of sunshine, hope its a good one. We have not even seen season 8 in the UK yet so I bet a huge number will not have seen it. Yes a thread went up today a twitter pic of both of them, he looks so happy. Cherrio ….. 🙂

      Thanks for the post, always ……
      Love Aunty B xxxxx

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  7. ” am still a little half empty kind of girl who isn’t sure whether Sam apologized to Dean for not looking for him.”
    Wellll he never siad the words Im sorry-but he was saying his biggest failings were letting Dean down-so we includde the not looking in that. I would have liked him to say IM SORRY I DIDNT LOOK FOR YOU DEAN. But he didnt and I think in the writers minds its a done deal sowe wont revisit that.
    You mention the empty confessional-well the priest is supposedly Gods stand in on earth when you confess. But theyve changed the rules lol and now you can just confess in your heart I think so as long as he really was remorseful it would have purified his soul of the sins he committed.

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    1. ” am still a little half empty kind of girl who isn’t sure whether Sam apologized to Dean for not looking for him.”
      Well he never said the words Im sorry-but he was saying his biggest failings were letting Dean down-so we included the not looking in that. I would have liked him to say IM SORRY I DIDN’T LOOK FOR YOU DEAN. But he didn’t and I think in the writers minds its a done deal so we wont revisit that.

      I’m beginning to think this too barb. That they won’t revisit it as they think its concluded now. I think so many of us wanted to here that all important word “SORRY” It has such meaning and feeling. I guess we were banking on too much from our writers. An explanation isn’t that bigger deal is it?

      You mention the empty confessional-well the priest is supposedly Gods stand in on earth when you confess. But they’ve changed the rules lol and now you can just confess in your heart I think so as long as he really was remorseful it would have purified his soul of the sins he committed.
      The reason I asked was because I don’t go to church, so am not fully up on the process. Oh, I so get he was remorseful but wasn’t sure it was because he had to do it because it was part of the trail or because he really wanted to set the record straight with Dean, this was what confused me.

      Good to see you back satan,
      Love Aunty B xxxxx

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    2. Actually in a lot of Protestant and Evangelical religions, you don’t need a priest or reverend as a stand in. All you have to do is confess your sins before God, as in the Protestant religion he is always present and doesn’t need a representative.

      I think we are moving forward with little baby steps. All of the plot threads introduced this season are things that are to play out over the next two, but I think the writers wanted to start working on some of the brothers issues.

      As far as I’m concerned the whole Sam not looking for Dean is over for now, but here’s the thing : the writers could come back to that at any time and flesh it out some more since the show is not over. SO all those people complaining about things being unresolved: they’re supposed to be unresolved. This is just Act 1 of the entire story and they are just going to have to be patient and let it play out at its own speed. It’s like these people have forgotten basic stroytelling 101. Now is the intermission.

      I suspect that in season 9 the world just gets worse and worse until finally things start to get fixed in season 10. Seasons 1 through five were the same way.

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      1. As far as I’m concerned the whole Sam not looking for Dean is over for now, but here’s the thing: the writers could come back to that at any time and flesh it out some more since the show is not over. SO all those people complaining about things being unresolved: they’re supposed to be unresolved. This is just Act 1 of the entire story and they are just going to have to be patient and let it play out at its own speed. It’s like these people have forgotten basic story telling 101. Now is the intermission.
        Exactly, the show is not over, there is time to re-visit these plots whenever in the future. I’ve been saying this for ages. We have three seasons, and it might still come to ahead. Carver has months of story to tell, so let him. Not only this, I think he’s a slow burner any way. Its taken 23 episodes to get Sam to this point, and to really open up.

        Thanks for the post, always ……
        Love Aunty B xxxxx

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