Have the writers over dramatized the brothers relationship?

Yesterday I put a post up in a thread which sparked me to write this blog thread, here my words from yesterdays post below:

“May be the writers have over dramatized the plots a lot. In the old days it was simple stories with no real brother dramatized plots. The writers might have over done plots by over working certain area’s and not kept it simple enough. I know shows need to involve and characters need to grow. But this year was really all about the relationship, conflict and heavy drama. And what really came of it, more unhappiness between brothers”

We no the brothers fight, but what eventually gives?

Have the writers pushed and pushed the relationship the last four or so years, just to up its ratings and help the characters evolve? These brothers are feisty  headstrong and very independent. So at the best of times we will result in a bit of angst. Have the writers up set the apple cart by involving to many heavy Sam in particular plots. Could these have been broken down and extended, with just the odd plot. We no Sam has made some bad, bad choices in his life, which has helped move the story along I grant you. But as a writer could you develop a brotherly bond without the heavy drama? Can it get by without it? Can one character take on too many bad moments, and angst? 

Have the brothers gone through the mill
for what gain?

As I said in my post, the old days it was different what I generally call pre-hell days as the boys were young, and unaware of what was coming their way. In terms of loss, abandonment issues and strained partnerships. Could the story have worked out any differently if Sam’s stories were, less lite? We assume as fans we no the series revolves mainly about Sam, and Dean guiding his brother along the route. So have the writers over worked their own stories and over dramatized the brothers relationship? Has it really damaged them beyond repair, that writing would be hard to put right? Is there any way to repair that damage, and correct it before its too late? 

Have there been too many drama’s?

We have talked about the brothers humor lacking and the nature of their jobs wearing them down, and having too many things to focus on, without having any real fun. Its true however, that these men are slowly growing up, and need to develop with certain problems flaring up occasionally. As when one incident occurs, another and another appear to follow suite. Can we sense that the writers may have damaged the boys in the long term without understanding why? 

Have they been through too much personally?

So Bella is in an inquisitive mood today, wondering what you think if the brothers have suffered at the hands of the writers, in the direction that they have taken them. Do we feel the relationship has suffered in later years because of the high drama. How would the brothers have fared if they have had less drama would they be any further forward? So type away little ones as Aunty B is dying to no. …. 🙂

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12 thoughts on “Have the writers over dramatized the brothers relationship?

  1. Google this : not -the -very -button /brothers don’t shake hands. This is at SPN Meta Collection.

    Its a clear concise analysis of why Sam was totally in character this season, how Dean became a man and where the brother’s relationship is going in season 9. Its a superb meta and I think it’s spot on in its use of family dynamics to explain what we saw in the brother’s behavior this past season. Check it out!
    I will have a look this evening I am up for a good Winchester read 😉 I am pleased more material is coming out on the relationship and we can put it into perspective.

    Edit:

    Ikeke I’ve just read this and it was FANTASTIC. The writers have been true to the characters after all. Sam, definitely needs to push the muck away and see Dean really loves him. This will be such a biggy next season. Thank you for sharing I feel a lot happier reading this 🙂

    Thank you for the comments,
    Love Aunty B xxxx

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    1. You need to scroll down once you get to the link. It is an interesting commentary..
      I’ve put up a link on Ikeke’s post. It was really fantastic. It really is a heartbreaking story. 😦
      But in a good way 🙂

      Thank you for the comments,
      Love Aunty B xxxx

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      1. That was great and really explains everything!
        I don’t how fans decipher all this cause she went to great lengths. It was well thought out, balanced and believable. I am pleased with the writers for taking it this way.

        Thank you for the comments,
        Love Aunty B xxxx

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  2. I see what you guys are saying. They need to tone it down a little. I get that but I don’t think the writers are going to far.
    May be not going too far, but poor Sam in particular seems to be coping the brunt of it, and it makes Dean look a bit of a nurse made when we no he’s better than this too. Not a season goes by that Sam has had some problem, and I think they need to break that cycle just a bit.

    To have drama in a show, film or book you’ve got to have at least one form of conflict and the best shows and movies have both. External conflict means the plot and internal for the characters. As a writer you’ve got to want to hurt and punish your characters a little. You cant love them too much because you have to inflict some sort of pain to get that drama. Also the show has to keep upping the stakes each season. The pain and drama has to be larger or more intense as it keeps both the actors and viewers from getting bored.
    I 100% agree with you! But I just seem to view poor Sam getting in more and more strife. He gets over one hurdle and they throw another and another and another at him. Its not just what’s wrong with him, its the mood anger swings which don’t suit him, being the placid boy he was seasons 1-3. Yes he’s grown up, I no but so much angst is it really viable? Can one character take on so much torment and strife. If we ourselves were that person, how would we feel what was happening to us. Had our personality really changed. Dean appears to apologize when its not always his fault, and Sam rarely opens up and says he’s sorry. We need character growth from Sam, and be more equal with Dean. We need a balance within the bromance.

    But hey its not all dark. There were a couple of good episodes this season where the boys had some fun. The Larping episode for example. And instead of playing pranks on each other they “nest ” instead.
    Oh I no, its a blessing it really is refreshing to see them at least SMILE 🙂 once in a blue moon. Is life to black all day and every day? I think the writers have been so engrossed in conflict they’ve forgotten how to write happy, loving brotherly moments, I so miss those conversations on the bonnet of the Impala.

    Thank you for the comments,
    Love Aunty B xxxx

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    1. See the above reply. I believe that the writers have broken that angsty cycle for Sam and that the trials themselves and that last scene in Sacrifice has played a huge part in that.

      Yes, the more you watch the episode more and more pieces are beginning to fall into place. I hope they ease off a bit next season. As I said I don’t mind tension at all as long as its going some where. But this year was full of anger and squabbles. The boys need a break 🙂

      I think we’re going to see a much healthier relationship develop between the brothers going into season 9 and a lot less of the angsty, emotional infighting we needed to get through in this season. As painful as it was we needed to see Sam and Dean acting this way this season. The writers had to lay it all out there.Just basically laying out all of the emotional problems of the past 6 seasons and then laying those problems to rest with Dean’s line, “Let it go.” When season 9 starts I think they will have done so and we all should do the same. I think that part was the writer’s message to us too.
      Yes, of course they laid it on us thick for a reason, as ever!! It was really heartbreaking to watch at one point. I just hope they don’t bypass this like so many stories which they’ve pushed to one side in recent years. Sam had a hard time in particular and it would be nice to see him recover from this in a positive way. See him action those choices in a better way. Its hard to see the writers chuck so much at Sam’s feet. Its got to be done properly, then I’ll be very happy 🙂

      Thank you for the comments,
      Love Aunty B xxxx

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      1. That’s true. They need to have some follow through on it and not forget what happened last season. But I do feel better about next season because it’s not Sera in charge. Her style of producing the show was very roundabout and disjointed . I couldn’t see what she was trying to accomplish. It took a while but it looks like Carver has a clear goal in mind for their relationship at least. If the relationship is where we all like it then they can throw all the plot at it they want and it wont break. The brothers have got to show they are in a healthier place though. At some point, as one gets older, you need to let past hurts go if you’re going to become a mature adult and I’m hoping that’s what we were seeing in Sacrifice.
        Ikeke to right! I need to see something refreshing in Sammy. He has gone through way too much, and the writers need to cut him some slack and let him mature. I hope Jeremy takes this the right way. I so agree with you about Sera, I always thought season 6 in particular was so disjointed, it hurt. There was no end goal in season 7 just to strip the boys of everyone and everything, and for what gain. An outcry from fans to bring them back!

        Thank you for the comments,
        Love Aunty B xxxx

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        1. Just an interesting add on to the writers commentary. They do great research or at least someone on the staff does. If you check the coordinates of the Men of Letters Cave it will take you to Lebanon Kansas, which indeed is where the lair is located. It is a small town of about 300 residents, so I wonder if anyone has noticed two guys who go grocery shopping in town or is it a mid west trait to not pry into neighbors? Surely someone must see the Impala parked outside. Back to my thought- Did you know that Lebanon Kansas is considered the geographical center(belly button) of the lower contiguous United States? Writers must have picked it for that reason just as they did Skull Cemetery in Kansas for the finale of season 5, just as they picked Lawrence KA for the Winchesters; birth place- some interesting happenings there, There is also really a Normal ill which has been used a couple of times.So Kripke might have left a road map. I credit the writers for at least getting some real research done.
          Have they actually stated where the bunker is, did I miss this OMG! I would scream the street down if I saw the Impala down my street 😉 I would so chase after it … My lord, no I didn’t no about the Belly Button? So there is something special about Kansas? I even remember the place cropping up in Smallville. Debbab your good with you Geography not my hottest subject. So how far away would the Cemetery have been from their home? Was Swan Song deliberate that it came back to Kansas their home/birth town. Did Eric visualize this all along?

          Thank you for the comments,
          Love Aunty B xxxx

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          1. Rumor has it that Kripke picked Lawrence Kansas and Skill Cemetary in Kansas as part of his season1-5 plan with the series ending with Swan Song Kripke left and the series continued Carver and company researched Kansas I believe as they did with other named places seasons6-8. Good on them! More on geography later.
            Watched 4.2 today- Sam was lost when Dean when to Hell. Also sneeky with Ruby when Dean returned. Shades of season 8.
            Shades of Grey movie next year- it won’t happen but my dream cast would be Jensen as Grey and Genevieve as the female lead(Daneel is home with JJ getting back in shape). Give JP a pass on this one, he is too tall for the part. Just dreaming.

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            1. “Shades of Grey movie next year- it won’t happen but my dream cast would be Jensen as Grey ”
              Me too! He should definitely be in the runnning.

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  3. I agree that the show has lost some of its sense of humor over the last two seasons, but I don’t think that it has to be gone forever. I hope and pray that the producers and writers have learned a lesson about too much brotherly drama. As much as Amelia and leaving Dean in Purgatory need to be addressed, this does not need to consume more than an episode or two at the most.
    It so has. Seasons 1-3 are so lite in comparison, and are very pranky too which was lovely to see. Now of course they have heavy stuff to focus on. I hope its not gone forever 😦 I don’t think some how they have learned their lesson about female passengers, Season 6 we had Lisa and Ben which turned out to be a disaster and they had there minds whipped and then this season Sam and Amelia who was dumped so Sam could come back into the game. I agree about Amelia but did expect more drama than what we saw of Purgatory as it was so wasted.

    Given the amount of time these two spend together and with no vacations to spend time apart, Same and Dean are bound to fight…regularly. However, the show seems to have moved from Sam and Dean against the darkness to Sam and Dean against the darkness and each other. It would be nice if the writers reviewed what made the show successful in the beginning. The Winchesters kicked but and took names, having fun along the way, because it was necessary to break up the serious horror elements of the show.
    I appreciate siblings fight, I get this they are together 24/7 so its bound to get heated. Even in the car we had bouts of lovely almost spontaneous patters of humor, when they had a break from driving, there was humor. Look at the time when Dean put itching powder down Sam’s shorts. When did we last see stuff like this? Even the boys prank on set, but they don’t seem to weave this in any longer and that’s so sad 😦 It was pure fun as you’ve said to break up the horror elements. Now we’ve got horror plus mood swings, but blessed with four hugs this season!

    Finally, I don’t think it is the writers intent to break the Winchesters up permanently. I know this might be a given, but Sam and Dean have shown, even in the most recent finale, that they will stick by each other regardless any wedge placed between them. I think this will be born out in Season 9.
    No, we’ve had time jumps and separations to last a life time. That’s what I loved about the finale, the bond came out on top for once and shone. I am looking forward to season 9 too now. 🙂 I hope they do it well, and not give us much more heartache !!

    Thank you for the comments,
    Love Aunty B xxxx

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  4. Some may call it the brothers’suffering. but I prefer to call it growing up on screen. No pain, no gain. If the show stayed MOW then the characters would stay stagnant. We would be bored. We would turn off as good looks only take us so far, the actors would have no challenge, get bored and want to leave, and the predictability would drive us off the edge.Even in the most procedural of shows, there is personalization between lead characters, so why would we expect less of this drama.The writers have provided a playground for the relationship to have flesh and bones, to present conflict, some resolutions and then new conflicts both external and internal while staying true to who these fictional guys are from the get go. Usually when a series is winding down, the relationships are resolved and central conflicts adjusted so the characters either split up or get closer-male/female pairings tend to get romantic. Brother against brother- well that is true with siblings and the initial 3 year arc was good v. evil, heaven v. hell, Sam v. Dean. Beyond that vision, Kripke and Carver had to re-invent but keep the relationship at the center. It has worked because viewers care about the Winchesters on any levels. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Just expand on the basis you have hoping the writers take us to another level of growth but keep us and J2 stoked to return. When the series becomes trite, we all will know it is time to let go.(never keep something beyond its expiration date as it starts to stink). We do not want to reach a point where we can’t support SPN because it is no longer credible. And at some point the writers stale out, the actors need to move on, and fandom well… we will need therapy to get over it. So, most of the writers have not over dramatized in general. There are a few that create dialogue that is borderline soapy, but hey we sometimes quote those moments. SPN is a drama with a twist.
    You always help to steer me Debbab thanks! I understand about the drama being pivotal to the leads and again we only have two main men to see on this journey. It would as you say become stagnant and very samey. Which to me is one of the reasons I tune out of a show. I guess the plot is working and doesn’t require much remedy. It will be interesting to see where they take the boys next year. I hope they build on Sam’s worries and allow the boys to open up. One thing they rarely do these days is talk about men stuff until something like this boils over and a war ensues. I hope we don’t see any more females in a romantic setting now for sometime, as that never ends well. The show is doing okay and it feels like the brothers are bonding once again which can only be a good thing. Its out in the open and all the writers can do now is build on what they’ve already started on. But we need adult stories, with body and I would like I must admit to see Dean have a go in the spotlight and let Sam worry about him just to see how the dynamic goes, and which way it will fall. One can hope 🙂

    Thank you for the comments,
    Love Aunty B xxxx

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  5. I think there’s many ways to have a character grow without the amount of drama the writers write. I understand you need drama and some angst but why couldn’t these emotions happen through other characters? Why always brother against brother? It does annoy me at times. I like seeing them happy together…they can be happy together and still ahem big problems like now with the angels falling and Cas probably human and Crowley who knows what and Abaddon freed. Isn’t that enough drama and angst without the writers having Sam and Dean fight?
    I think they seem to enjoy seeing the boys at odds all the time. I know Jared has said he’s preferred seeing Sam moody with problems and the boys at odds as he finds it more thrilling to act and learn from, which to a point I can understand. But there are times like you’ve said, couldn’t they dump some of this stress onto other characters. Its just like its on a continuous roller coaster all the time.

    Thank you for the comments,
    Love Aunty B xxxx

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