Putting up the thread yesterday about vessels got me thinking about soulless Sam. Many thought Soulless Sam was a sociopath, and Dean rapped Sam in putting his soul back without his consent. Both are very, very strong points. Now we all no Sam was not Sam when he did those terrible things, wanting to kill Bobby to keep his soul out. Almost succeeding in killing that cop. So when we look at a person more closely without a soul. What do we actually see? Many loved soulless Sam, proving he was so much better them limp Sam the real version we were dealt. But others on the flip side loathed soulless Sam, as the real McCoy would not act in this brutal way towards others, and not have any feeling towards Dean, his brother, what so ever. Remembering particularly letting Dean get turned into a Vamp, when he knew fine well that there was a cure. Then when the process returned Dean, he was all like hey bro, welcome home.
So was soulless Sam a sociopath?
A person with a personality disorder, manifesting itself into extreme antisocial behavior, and a lack of conscience.
My two cents worth are if Sam had no soul, how could he feel about certain things like for instance talking to Bobby and understanding he did not want this other guy the real Sam back in. What lengths he would go to, and to get Balti involved also. He knew how to do this stuff without the real Sam on board. Being an impostor and living this other guy for six months without any one really understanding whom he was. Could Sam have really survived without his soul? I think this is a really tricky question, as it was okay for a side project to show us a person living without a soul, but full-time soulless Sam wouldn’t have been on the cards for me personally. So was this guy a man without a conscience. I think we can say he certainly was. How would we act and feel without our consciences. Would we no right from wrong for example. Would we no whom our loved ones were. Could we kill someone at will for the fun of it, and not blink an eye lid in doing so. Or is a sociopath a lot deeper than this? What had our writers got right, or wrong?
At what point did Soulless Sam realize there was something very wrong with him? Would he have come clean if Dean hadn’t have beaten him into a pulp first? Look at it another way, could Dean have coped with Sam if he hadn’t of put Sam’s soul back. How had Dean coped with this man that was his brother, who wasn’t his brother, an impostor who resembled his brother, just a mere shell of the man he loved. But whom didn’t love him back. Now after researching a bit about soulless Sam I had come across this business of Dean rapping Sam, where do we stand as an audience looking at it from Sam’s point of view. We no Sam wasn’t in his right frame of mind, and he didn’t want the thing back under any circumstances. But in the end didn’t have a lot of choice. So could he have protested and preached about not wanting it. Would Dean have actually listened to Sam, and here what he had to say? Seeing this from Dean’s point of view, I could sense that he was doing what he thought was right. That when it all came clean that Sam would recognize that he was doing his brotherly duty, in getting his soul back in one piece. The real Sam, would have I think gladly wished for this to happen. So I don’t see this as rape? Any thoughts here guys?
Bella has some grey material to play with here, and not a nice topic to consider. But so much could have gone right with soulless Sam. In some parts I think the writers dealt us with an okay story, but still felt a bit disjointed. It went on for too long, and subsequently I think it lost its passion and drive for what could have been an epic tale to tell. At least we happened to view a very different side of Sam. I wonder what Dean would have been like without a soul, and if Sam had tried to do what Dean did in getting it back, to its rightful owner.
So type away little ones, as I think this could be an interesting thread, from a discussion point of view. Have you actually known anyone without a conscience, and did you think our writers portrayed Soulless Sam correctly? Had Dean raped Sam in putting back his soul, and was soulless Sam worse than a Sociopath? How did we sense the real Sam handled things once he knew he’d spent 18 months away, and six months soulless. Would he have been any the wiser?