Sam’s words to Dean in Sacrifice?

DEAN: Easy there. Okay. Just take it easy. We got a slight change of plan.

SAM: What? What’s going on? Where’s Cas?!

DEAN: Metatron lied. You finish this trial, you’re dead, Sam.

SAM: So?

SAM: Look at him. Look at him! Look how close we are! Other people will die if I don’t finish this!

DEAN: Think about it. Think about what we know, huh? Pulling souls from hell, curing demons, hell, ganking a Hell-hound! We have enough knowledge on our side to turn the tide here. But I can’t do it without you.

SAM: You can barely do it with me. I mean, you think I screw up everything I try. You think I need a chaperon, remember?

DEAN: Come on, man. That’s not what I meant.

SAM: No, it’s exactly what you meant. You want to know what I confessed in there? What my greatest sin was? It was how many times I let you down. I can’t do that again.

DEAN: Sam —

SAM: What happens when you’ve decided I can’t be trusted again? I mean, who are you gonna turn to next time instead of me? Another angel, another — another vampire? Do you have any idea what it feels like to watch your brother just –

DEAN: Hold on, hold on! You seriously think that? Because none of it — none of it — is true. Listen, man, I know we’ve had our disagreements, okay? Hell, I know I’ve said some junk that set you back on your heels. But, Sammy…come on. I killed Benny to save you. I’m willing to let this bastard and all the sons of bitches that killed mom walk because of you. Don’t you dare think that there is anything, past or present, that I would put in front of you! It has never been like that, ever! I need you to see that. I’m begging you.

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I would like to know what you think of these words from Sacrifice. Ever since that has aired I have found to my horror that most think Sam threw this back at Dean. I still can’t get my head around why this is. Is it more than Sam just didn’t want to let Dean down again, and as many say that Sam was jealous. I thought Sam really struggled with this and moved me knowing how he had always strives to live up to his brothers expectations of him. He idolizes Dean and still find it hard to believe that Sam was being horrible to Dean in any way. I still cannot believe how divided the fandom have been over this small piece of text, and how twisted and disorientated over time it has become. So what do you all really think of these words from Sam. Was it bad writing, direction, delivery or a combination? I was so proud of that scene that its got tangled in the wash and still haunts me that something horrible may have came out of it. That it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Are others reading too much into it?

Would love to know your thoughts …….

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16 thoughts on “Sam’s words to Dean in Sacrifice?

  1. I agree with Percysowner. There are some in the fandom that have no use for Sam. I have stated before that anyone that dislikes either brother is not really a fan of the show. The words from Sacrifice brought everything from Seasons 4 threw 8 into focus. People tend to overlook the pain and suffering that Sam has endured since he was 6 months old. Hell, both brothers have endured so much that it is amazing they are both somewhat sane. Sam’s greatest regret is that he could not save Dean from hell. That failure lead to un-caging Lucifer and starting the apocalypse. His mental stability has been in question since the end of season 3 and I am not convinced that Sam is OK during this season. As for the writing and delivery by the actors, I watched that scene at least 20 times, and that was the best finale since Swan Song.
    Sometimes I can see this, but there are times when I know guys who have loved both brothers but fallen out of love with Sam because of one grey area his drinking of demon blood and attacking Dean. Some have found it hard to forgive Sam because of this area. The writers the last three seasons have made it hard for fans to trust Sam and find him unlikable. I get the writing is the problem and how they portray Sam. I have always seen it that one brother is the good brother the good guy and the evil and the bad guy. Some don’t like this but Sam comes across as the underdog. Sam has had so much in his life to cope with, and this is why I have always found his story to be so compelling and more interesting to watch. If they keep writing Sam bad the one who continues to make mistakes, where will this lead Sam. Will they eventually turn it all around? When will Sam ever make the RIGHT call?

    Love Aunty B xxx

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    1. I’m of two minds on this actually. On the one hand Dean didn’t say he trusted Sam in that final scene and above all else Sam wants Dean to trust him. What Dean said was Sam was his priority. Sam doesn’t want to be his priority. He doesn’t want to be protected or saved. He wants to be trusted. (The irony of course is that because Dean is willing to go so far out into left field to protect Sam, he has now lost Sam’s trust.)
      I think its the latter. He wants to be trusted by Dean. Oh boy these boys are always in a quandary.

      On the other hand I’m glad that Dean stated Sam’s importance to him. Dean thinks that’s enough but Sam has always seen Dean’s over protectiveness as suffocating and distrustful and he thinks what Dean did to him earlier this season is a perfect example of Dean being too protective and not trusting him.
      Oh Ikeke you no how to confuse me 😉 This was one of the reasons also why Sam went off with Ruby because he thought Dean was suffocating him. He felt trapped.

      I’m not entirely sure what I feel about their rift this season. I think the writers did such a great job of making it such a grey area that it’s incredibly difficult to choose a side and so I don’t choose either side.
      I hate having to chose sides, and the negativity on one side more than the other is so heartbreaking to read. The writing, and the acting have been so good this year, I think this season is beginning to take shape, and warm up.

      Of course, people who hate Sam always find it easy to choose between the brothers. I still think of them as real fans, I don’t want to start saying who is a real fan and who isn’t but it is incredibly frustrating and hard to have a discussion about the characters when one side is determined to say everything that Sam does is wrong, no matter how selfless he tries to be or how much Dean hurts him. These people seem to forget that regardless of Dean’s decision, Sam is the victim here, not Dean. So what if Sam hurt Dean’s feelings later, that’s not my concern when you consider how often Dean has hurt Sam emotionally and physically. They both have done that and. I’m refusing to keep a scorecard of grievances, so I can point to one or the other and say this character is bad and that one is good. I don’t understand the ones who do this.
      But Dean hurts Sam too, and that is rarely raised as much as Sam’s problems over Dean. I find it really sad that Sam gets so much flack when he doesn’t deserve it. Sam your so spot on is the victim and that’s what a lot have shied away from. They don’t want to own up to Dean’s faults. I have never kept a score card either. I love these guys so much, and I get so infuriated when fall outs happen. Why can’t they love both of them. Why is it so hard to love Sam?

      Love Aunty B xxx

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      1. @Ikeke,

        (delurking here- hi!) Can I like this and tell everyone?! You said it so well!

        I just got on Tumblr as well, and am loving the Sam-love, but there’s all this Dean-bashing that keeps showing up on my dash as well, which sucks. And I checked out IMDB, but the Sam-hate there puts me off. I’m probably more of a Sam-girl than anything else but I don’t want to see either brother hated on. I fully buy that you can be a fan of the show without liking both brothers, but there is so much more to be enjoyed when you can root for all the characters. And I’ve noticed a lot of the serious Sam or Dean haters tend to be pretty negative about the show in general. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen people say things like “I only watch for Dean now, the rest of the show is crap.”

        And even if I favour Sam, it’s not like I think he’s flawless or has never screwed up. But Dean has too. They both have. I really think the end point of all this sturm and drang is the brothers learning to accept each other “as-is” and quit trying to play certain roles with each other.

        @B. As for the speech, I thought it was a hugely vulnerable moment for Sam, and I was surprised to see in fandom later that people thought Sam was pinning their issues on Dean. He didn’t seem physically or mentally up to that kind of passive aggressive “I’m sorry you feel bad” mind game. He was talking about his “greatest sins.” People took issue with the “you decide I can’t be trusted” line, but I think that was actually face value in how Sam saw himself and his brother, at least right then: As far as Sam was concerned, Dean decides whether he’s trustworthy. Dean decides if Sam’s “good” or not. In previous seasons, we’ve seen that Sam seems to fear Dean rejecting him more than just about anything else. At the same time, as Ikeke and others have said, Carver’s whole arc is about “perceptions” and even in that big moment in the church, they weren’t quite speaking the same language. Sam felt like Dean couldn’t trust him because of his mistakes. Dean reiterated his love for Sam. Obviously Sam took it :p. But the very next episode showed the misunderstanding. I think Sam’s about to have a bit of a journey where he can’t look to Dean as a moral compass anymore, and has to make his own decisions. Even now, you can distill the conflict into that. Sam trusts Dean implicitly. Dean loves Sam to the moon and back. Sam also loves Dean hugely, and Dean does trust Sam more than Sam knows, but both brothers fear what the other feels in this regard. So Sam freaked out because Dean violated that trust that Sam’s never really questioned before, and Dean is freaking out because he thinks Sam’s “Same circumstances, I wouldn’t” means Sam doesn’t care about him.
        Hi Jaytee and welcome to the group. No I don’t believe he was in his right mind to think mind games. He was broken and to a point suicidal and as we saw on the very edge of that cliff. He wouldn’t have considered that, its not in Sam’s nature to push Dean away. I just wish at times the writers would let Sam show Dean in some way. We know he loves him but that ultimate hug or I love you Dean or something special Sam would melt me again. I know he feels rejected and he was like a lost puppy wanting to find its owner. It was so sad to see him so vulnerable and in such a terrible state that he was thinking those thoughts. I think it was good writing and believable that Sam felt such rejection and felt pushed out by Benny and that it all culminated to a head like this? Why are the boys forced into such nightmare situations, all I want to do sometimes is knock their heads together and say snap out of it. I keep thinking all their doing is digging themselves into an even bigger hole that they will struggle to get out of. But what happens when they do finally get closer again, will the writers put another spanner in the works next season?

        Love Aunty B xxx

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        1. “Sam trusts Dean implicitly. Dean loves ”

          I dont agree with this. The whole fight they are having is about Sam feeling he cant trust Dean. I think if Sam just accepts that Dean will do anything to save him (HELL!) they would get along fine.

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          1. But that means Sam saying it’s okay for DEAN to decide what happens to Sam. He can’t just accept that Dean will do anything to keep him alive. Dean needs to understand Sam has boundaries and respect them. And say sorry I gave your body to an angel.

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            1. ” And say sorry I gave your body to an angel.”
              Understand I am not defending what Dean did, although if it was my loved one I probably would have done the same 🙂 He cant say ehs sorry cause hesnot. He did what he has been programmed to do all his life. Save Sam.

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              1. I don’t think it’s the saving him part that’s the problem. I think, the WAY it was done is the problem. Dean did this in such a way, he thought it was a win but it turned out to be a huge loss.

                I get it . When he made the decision he was under duress and he took a huge gamble. He wagered Sam’s life against Sam’s autonomy. You could see it in his face when he did it. It’s the nature of how he’s always been. Dean makes massive decisions, that affect things on a cosmic scale. This time he played poker with his brothers life and won that life but lost everything else, including, ( he thinks) Sam’s love and Kevin.( He hasn’t. Sam loves him.)

                Sam has always implicitly trusted Dean to do this. He would argue but ultimately whatever decision got made, Dean did the making of it . The last time a big decision like that got made Sam was the one who made it and went to Hell.I think he’s been content to let Dean make these big decisions ever since because he’d had enough of making big decisions and being wrong.

                I don’t think Sam has really appreciated that Dean has always taken the weight of the world on his shoulders (I.e. Sam, Interrupted) and believes he must save not just Sam but the world. He thinks it’s his calling. I think Sam has been content to let this go on because they did win a lot of situations. I think he’s about to find out again what it’s like to always be the one to make the hard choices and my heart breaks for him because you see what that weight has done to Dean over the years, culminating in this horrible state of affairs where Dean believes he has nothing and no one and is nothing and no one.

                We all keep hoping he’ll see what being Dean is like. I think he will. I think he’ll find a new appreciation for what it’s like to be everyone’s ( the whole world’s) ” stone number one.”

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                1. “We all keep hoping he’ll see what being Dean is like. I think he will. I think he’ll find a new appreciation for what it’s like to be everyone’s ( the whole world’s) ” stone number one.””
                  this^

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        2. JayTee, I think you’re right about this though. What we are seeing now is the culmination of season 8. It was good to see them communicating but they were not on the same page exactly. They were both speaking Chinese but one was speaking Mandarin and the other one Cantonese. They got very very close but didn’t quite connect up. I think some of the stuff were seeing now is meant to correct that.the endgame is for them to understand and accept, and it’s hard to watch because Carver isn’t doing this in stages. He’s doing this all at one time.

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      2. I hear you Ikeke! However, a true fan sees the story of the two brothers, how their lives are inextricably intertwined with each other and how much they love and care for each other. To me, you can’t hate one and like the other because they are one. Sure, they both have done and said horrible things to each other, but people do that all the time. I admit sometimes I like Dean more than Sam and vice versa. But nine years into their story, I feel more pity for them than anything else. I guess I see the fandom in two solid camps: folks that know the story and characters and dig deeper for a better understanding of the show and those that watch the show for pure entertainment purposes. We are all fans, true enough, but some of us take the time to truly understand what makes the show tick. I do not think that I am a better fan than the next person, but I am probably more fanatical!

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  2. I think Sam really believed what he said, He was hurt because Dean trusted Benny and Cas more than him, and he thought he let Dean down because he never looked for him when he was in purgatory, he thought that Dean will be fine without him and he just didn’t care if he died in process of doing the right thing. But that’s how Sam saw things in S8, Dean did remind him his mistakes because Sam asked him to! Dean trusted Sam and that’s why he let Sam do the trials! Dean even gave Sam a choice, either go and live his normal life or hunt with Dean, and Sam choose Dean!
    solankichandni19 firstly welcome to the group, as I always say its great to see a new face. 🙂 I totally agree. I am so surprised at how his words have got twisted and distorted I was reading the same thing it was so heartbreaking to watch how low Sam was about himself. It must have been really hard for him to still feel threatened by Benny and even Cas which surprised me that he bought Cas up in this as he new Cas well and wondered why he saw Cas as a threat. I still keep wondering if that scene is connected with Sam’s words in The Purge?

    Dean cut his ties with Benny for Sam, he even killed him to save Sam! He kicked Cas out from the bunker for Sam’s sake.. He did turn to a vampire for help because he had no choice! The first thing Dean did after escaping from Hell and Purgatory was to reunite with Sam.. Both brothers needed to clarify things but they didn’t and In this church scene Sam final broke and told Dean how he really felt about their relation, how unworthy he felt and thought Dean didn’t needed him.. and Dean once again convinced him that Sam was and always will be his priority and nothing can change his love for his little brother 🙂
    Thank you, this is exactly how I felt about it, and to see someone else put this into my thoughts is amazing. Are you telepathic by any chance 😉 Its Sam thinking that Dean didn’t need him. I think Sam was so very low with depression at this point, and his mind must have been in a right two and eight. Whether being in the church with Crowley, not just having to confess but Crowley turning human also must have had some real affect on Sam. It must also have been building up in him for some time, when you think how long Benny had been on the scene and made matters worse for him. I wonder how he really felt when he found out Benny was an okay guy? What thoughts had crossed his mind then? I am actually feeling better about season 8 and how it did in its own way all come together. Hope I feel the same about the season 9 finale.

    Love Aunty B xxx

    (sorry if i made any grammar or spelling mistakes, English is not my first language)

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  3. I heard it that way the first time I saw the episode but everyone was saying oh what a lovely speech. I think I was right all along
    Loving both brothers as I do, I hate to think that Sam’s words were horrible towards Dean, I was so hoping it wasn’t. I still believe Sam was mixed up that his anger had gotten the better of him and was lashing out. We all do things in the heat of the moment and that we never meant it.

    Love Aunty B xxx

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  4. I think that there are people who interpret anything Sam says as wrong, bad, jealous, etc. They see Dean as this persecuted guy with the awful brother. I saw Dean spend a whole lot of the season reminding Sam what a failure he was. Certainly at the church Dean listed Sam’s mistakes as being the times he hurt DEAN. So, I believe Sam wasn’t jealous or being passive aggressive. I think he really would have rather died than let Dean down again. It is also notable that Dean didn’t say he trusted Sam. Or that Sam wasn’t a complete and utter disappointment. He said he put everyone ahead of Sam, which is very different. Sam KNOWS Dean puts him first. He got to live with Dean selling his soul and leaving Sam in agony to prove it. Sam doesn’t WANT to be put first. He wants Dean to treat him like someone who can be trusted and relied on. Something Dean is still not doing.
    No, I personally never saw Sam as jealous. I found those words were from his heart. I think he felt threatened by Benny which was why his anger crept in. As the season progressed that anger diminished and he didn’t see Benny as that threat once he saw Benny in action. He just found it hard to cope seeing his brother friendly with someone else other than him. He thought he was loosing his brother to someone else. That Dean was disappointed in him and grew out of love of him. I think Sam was so mixed up in the church and Dean understood this and got him off that ledge. He I think assumed that Dean saw him as a failure.

    I also think Sam was horribly, tragically prophetic. These lines I mean, who are you gonna turn to next time instead of me? Another angel, another — another vampire?

    By the end of 9.01 Dean had turned to another angel, one he knew nothing about. Even if the angel had been Ezekiel all Dean knew was that he was a good SOLDIER, nothing else. By the end of Holy Terror Dean has turned to Crowley who is drinking human blood, the very definition of a vampire who he is still turning to even now. So the answer to Sam’s question is Dean will turn to both another angel and another vampire in about 2.5 seconds.
    I don’t see Dean as turning to another person as much as that person is a means to an end. One thing I’ve always said about Dean is that he’s loyal to Sam in that he’s always looked out for him and saved him. I think Sam was so desperately sad that he got mixed up on route about Benny and the supernatural and Dean in the end tried to salvage what they’d both got. Each other!!

    Love Aunty B xxx

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