The Sam and Lester Morris Moment in S10…..

A usual topic started up on IMDb today, and often comes up when fans aren’t happy about what Sam did during his search for Dean. So this little scene has always intrigued me. I decided to do a bit of digging. Dean killed Lester for what reason exactly, because Lester was also cheating on his wife, they were both at it?

Men aren’t built for monogamy… because of evolution. We’re — we’re — we’re programmed, you know, to — to spread our seed.

– Lester Morris, 10.02 Reichenbach

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History:

Lester Morris was a man who made a crossroads deal to have his wife — Mindy — killed after finding her having an affair.

So were we meant to feel sorry for Lester, because his wife was having an affair behind his back? Was this the only reason he wanted his own wife out of the picture? Was this a god awful reason to get rid of ones wife just because she was having an affair?

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10.02 Reichenbach

Writing courtesy of Supernaturalwiki.com

When Crowley offers Dean the chance to kill Mindy Morris to sate the Mark of Cain, since the crossroadsdeal involves her death it would be killing two birds with one stone if Dean did the deed, for which he somewhat reluctantly agrees to do. Just as Dean is prepared to enter the Morris home and kill Mindy, he notices Lester park across the street from the house and enters the car. When Dean questions why Lester is there, he tells him he wants to make sure everything goes right. With tears in his eyes he tells Dean Mindy flushed his life down the toilet by cheating on him and wanting a divorce. However, Dean doesn’t buy what Lester is saying, claiming to know that Lester had cheating on Mindy first. After Dean smacks Lester and calls him a loser, Lester demands Dean go in the house and kill his wife. Dean does not take kindly to Lester’s demand and stabs him with the First Blade, killing him and voiding the crossroads contract, denying Crowley Lester’s soul.

So in a roundabout fashion here, Lester has shot himself in the foot, Dean was right to be curious, but had this also laid plans to Sam’s part of the plan. Had this backfired on him? Was Dean best pleased to hear on the grapevine the his bro had landed him Lester on a plate? Did Dean know of this before hand knowing his brother was hiding something from him?

10.03 Soul Survivor

Lester is getting drunk a bar, and lamenting the fact that his wife has left him when Sam overhears and takes a seat next to Lester. Lester tells him he wants to take revenge on his wife, but that it will never happen. Sam tells him it’s possible for Lester to have revenge, as well as anything he wants. Sam takes Lester to a crossroads where he uses him to summon a crossroads demon in a devil’s trap, however before Sam can intervene Lester makes a deal with Dar to have his wife killed.

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Had this been the worst deed that Sam had done to rescue Dean? Was it something he could have avoided using another life to get him information on Crowley’s wear abouts? Did Sam actually wonder if this all might go pear shaped? Was he playing with fire?  I felt at the time that Lester was a sitting duck, a sitting target waiting to be clutched by Sam, and used at whim. Of course he was silly, it was all part of the plot. But the more I think about this was there a better, more effective ways Sam could have got to Crowley without using a human as bait to do it? Was this Sam at his all time lowest? Did he really need to stoop so low as to pull in a vulnerable man who wasn’t clearly all with it, over powered by booze and not thinking straight. Of course Lester would have gone in blind, but would you have taken Sam’s word, a complete stranger who comes up to you in a bar, and offers you a sudden way out? Would you be a bit, just a tad skeptical? I just think the writers could have found a better way of Sam doing dodgy things, than using a man a human as bait. Yes, this was their objective, wanting to make Sam look bad, but had that really achieved very much when Lester ends up dead for fuel for ‘The First Blade.’

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10.04 Paper Moon

Lester is mentioned by Sam and Dean, when Dean questions Sam if there are other people out there that Sam used in the same way while he was looking for Dean.

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We know that Sam was telling us the truth, but how far would Sam have gone if Lester hadn’t have failed in his plan, and in what dark ways would those humans have ended their days? I still feel that with Sam’s brains he could have found a much safer, easier way to contact Crowley to find Dean’s wear abouts. Smart ways to show how diligent Sam is, and how effective his rescue plans could be. He’s not stupid, and the old bait tactic seems to be wearing a bit thin now, and could this story line have been better thought out, and utilized more.

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So how did you feel about Sam’s attempts in contacting the King of hell, did you think he went about it the right way? Could Lester’s death been avoided, or was he low life that no one would have cared much about anyway? Was this what Sam was thinking, that he wouldn’t be missed?

Would love to read you’re comments …..

Bella xxx

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25 thoughts on “The Sam and Lester Morris Moment in S10…..

  1. I’ve been a believer that even though Sam Never explicitly said he looked for Dean while he was in purgatory, I believe he did.
    I really think the first week he was expecting Cas to just bring them back. When that never happened, the next few weeks he did look, and when finding nothing to go on, no clues, signs, omens or anything to base his belief their alive on, he honestly didn’t know what to do. I think after so long he had to give up, not because it was cowardly, but because there wasn’t much to go on but a giant puddle of black goo. They just disappeared.
    He had no help finding Dean. Here’s the facts, Cas disappeared with Dean, Crowley wasn’t a confident at that time, Meg was gone, Kevin was a prophet not a psychic, Bobby was gone, Frank was gone, Garth went MIA, No other trusted hunters were left. So where or who could he turn for help to look for them?

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  2. In THE MYSTERY SPOT the Trickter said to Sam, ‘whoever said Dean was the dysfunctional one has never seen you with a sharp object in your hands. Holy Full Metal Jacket.

    Now Dean is in straits rivaling being in Hell. When Dean returned from Hell he found not the college brother with bangs, but a buffed man that looked more like the veteran of a federal prison than some kid Dean had to protect. This new Sam has a Full Metal Jacket mission, saving his brother.

    Lister was fair game when he walked in the bar and opened his mouth. Unfortunately, while facing the cross road demon Lister wanted his contract filled more than heeding Sam’s warning. While Sam was willing to use Lister as bait, he was not willing to push him into the the deman’s clutches just to serve his own purpose. That mercy prevented Sam from being a cold blooded murder, but Sam was a dangerous man capable, without a qualm, of being a ruthless, lethal killer, acting on instinct or reason.

    Lister, should have stayed out of bars, desperate to find a way to kill his wife and looking out for some mark he could trick. Instead he found two Winchesters, and one under the influence of the First Blade.

    Lister should have gone to confession, forgiven his wife at least in theory and walked out of the house too bad he walked into the wrong bar on the wrong night.

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  3. In season five, both Sam and Dean said that they are the ones that everyone should be scared of. They both know what they are capable of doing and the lengths they are willing to go. I don’t believe with Lester it was lazy writing. It was very much the writers showing everyone that length that they are willing to go. It shows that in desperate times people will do what they feel is best to get what they want. It soothe human condition. It shows that Sam and Dean are not all fuzzy happy good guys. Some fans don’t want to see that they have a dark side too. This episode just put it right in their face. Some just can’t handle the idea. They do what they have to do and many times that isn’t very nice.

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    1. yanaakm good reply, I like you’re thought process there, and welcome to the group always great to see new posters.
      It was I still believe too a case of what Sam was prepared to do to get Dean back, and some knock Sam for this. Okay it might not have been the best move. But still say his heart is in the right place. He’s acting on it and not walking away from it, which some have knocked him for in the past. It shows he’s still active, and getting in dirty to get a job done. The more I thought about this scene yesterday it wasn’t lazy writing, it was quite a clever put together scene. It just got to some that he used a human life to get the information he wanted, which was a bit low. But get why he went there.

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  4. I think Lester was Sam’s last ditch Hail Mary card. He did everything, including calls, tracking, spells and anything else to get in touch with Crowley.
    The last time we saw Sam was the night Dean was killed by Metaturd. Sam cleaned his brother up laid him on his bed, then we see him drinking heavily in the dark, then we’re shown him (possibly drunk, certainly in deep pain and grief) summoning Crowley to demand him to save Dean.
    We all know what happened next Crowley avoided Sam’s summoning spell and went straight to Dean.
    We all know Sam must have tried everything morally to find Dean. I know Crowley knew this and put Sam on the “Not Even A Chance in Hell” list. Sam was purposely kept far away from Dean & Crowley. But Sam wasn’t going to let Dean go after the whole Purgatory mess. He was going to move heaven and hell this time, even if it meant doing thing’s he wouldn’t/shouldn’t normally do. He still feels he needs redemption for letting Dean down. Lester’s backdoor deal was his only option left. Unfortunately he wasn’t able to stop it before it went to far. I believe Sam only wanted Lester to summon the demon and Sam would hijack the demon before the deal was made to get to Dean or Crowley.

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    1. I was more bothered by Sam torturing the Demon for info-he was cutting a human meat suit. There was a time when they would try to save the person the demon was in.

      I thought Lester got what he had coming to him-from both Sam and Dean!

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      1. I really wasn’t bothered by it. I now know that the demon meatsuit’s are not treated with kid gloves, basically after so long these bodies are only held together with demon goo and indifference . Once the demon is gone the bodies fall apart and the human soul is MIA. We’ve been told the demons do not need the human’s permission to possess the body. Only Angels need the express permission of the human to use the body.
        IMHO…even Angels don’t even show much reverence of the human bodies they ride in.
        Seeing Sam torture that demon didn’t bother me. The body is a soulless shell housing a being that feels nothing. Just shows Sam is past caring of how he gets or finds Dean. Nothing is going to stop him trying to find Dean. Even if it means losing a bit more of his tarnished, dented and bruised soul.

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        1. That’s well put, but I just feel bad for the host. Always have done. I realize they are just a shell, and they can’t feel anything. But the shell is still visible on my screen, and I suppose still feel something for that shell.

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      2. True Barb, that was bad. I think the writers are making the boys forget these days about human meat-suits. How care free they are in just killing or harming them for the cause. It was bad of him I grant you, but can see why he went in the direction he did. If it had gone on longer I still wonder how far he would have gone. Not keen on dark Sam, too disturbing.

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      3. I’d be a lot more upset about Sam torturing the demon if there was one ounce of concern for the hosts of the demons that Crowley fed to Dean, or for the dozens of demons Dean tortured to find Lisa. But the show only calls Sam out, so fans only call Sam out. The biggest example is in season four we are shown the nurse demon’s host pleading for her life. Then in season five when Dean is hauling in demons to bleed out so Sam can take on Lucifer, zip, zero, nada. The only time anyone makes a big deal of anything, Sam gets the blame. Let’s face it, Sam is going to get the blame for removing the MOC while Dean is going to skate on killing Death. Everyone and their brother was all over Sam for not rescuing Dean from Purgatory. This season everyone and their brother were all over Sam for trying to save Dean from the MOC. The double standards the show promotes make me nuts.

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        1. In season 5 those that were bled for Sam were a small price to save the world from Lucifer. I was all for Sam saving Dean from the MOC except for the BOTD-everyone told Sam it was a bad idea! I’m not so sure Deans going to get away with killing Death -we will see.

          My heart broke for Sam in The Werther Project when he was willing to bleed himself dry to get what he thought would save Dean.

          I understood Sam not getting Dean out of Purgatory-but leaving Kevin without a backwards glance? That I thought was hard to fathom.

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          1. Well Sam didn’t drain the nurse for grins and giggles. He was trying to stop the Apocalypse the way everyone said it needed to be stopped by killing Lilith.

            I have a lot of issues with everyone “telling” Sam the BOTD was bad. Absolutely no one could tell him what the consequences of using it would be. It gave Dean a “bad feeling” but Dean was wearing a mark that brought him back as a demon rather than lose him, so his feelings were not necessarily uninfluenced. Plus, the last time Dean told Sam to destroy a book, it was the nutty nun and destroying the book was the wrong thing to do. Sam didn’t destroy the book, destroyed the picture and saved Dean, so why is Sam supposed to take everyone’s word on it when they can’t tell him what actually is so bad.

            I hated the first part of season eight and yes, abandoning Kevin is a big part of it. Again, my feeling is that the writers and Carver in particular feel they have to make Sam look bad while excusing everything Dean and Cas do. Robbie Thompson was at a convention at DePaul University that dealt with fandom. He said that he repeatedly pitched an episode with Sam and Den doing laundry and each remembering the year Dean was in Purgatory. Dean would remember more about Purgatory and Benny and how traumatizing it was. Sam would remember how hard he tried to find Dean and how broken he was which was one reason that he couldn’t handle looking for Kevin. Robbie was shot down time and time again because God Forbid we be given any insight that might make Sam sympathetic or even understandable.

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            1. I don’t buy into the fandim being hell bent on persecuting and vilifying Sam all the time. In fact I’ve found 98.9999% of the time a great majority of the SPN fandom love both brothers equally for a variety of reasons, but mainly the selfless love they both have for one another. The bad choices both brothers have made has caused them both grief. In fact Dean’s choice of tricking Sam into saying yes to Gadreil, caused quite a ruckus. So there was almost a whole season of bad decisions on Deans part that caused both brothers heartache and pain. So neither brother is bad or good. Both are human with faults, tributes and their fair share of triumphs.

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              1. ” don’t buy into the fandim being hell bent on persecuting and vilifying Sam all the time. In fact I’ve found 98.9999% of the time a great majority of the SPN fandom love both brothers equally for a variety of reasons, but mainly the selfless love they both have for one another. The bad choices both brothers have made has caused them both grief. In fact Dean’s choice of tricking Sam into saying yes to Gadreil, caused quite a ruckus. So there was almost a whole season of bad decisions on Deans part that caused both brothers heartache and pain. So neither brother is bad or good. Both are human with faults, tributes and their fair share of triumphs.”

                THIS^

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              2. Jenks well said!! +1

                Sam is jumped on a lot, and in particular on IMDb, which is sad when he tries so very hard and does think of Dean. He’s knocked if he does and knocked if he doesn’t. It takes a lot for posters to stand up for Sam over there. They both have made bad decisions but a majority of the time, they’ve come out on top. There was a time in the fandom that posters ganged up on bi-bro’s and we had a rough time with horrible PM’s sent I knew a friend who’s given up posting because of the way she was picked up on because of this. It’s horrible to be in that position, that you can’t love them both equally because of some views…

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                1. “Sam is jumped on a lot, and in particular on IMDb, which is sad when he tries so very hard and does think of Dean. He’s knocked if he does and knocked if he doesn’t. It takes a lot for posters to stand up for Sam over there. They both have made bad decisions but a majority of the time, they’ve come out on top. There was a time in the fandom that posters ganged up on bi-bro’s and we had a rough time with horrible PM’s sent I knew a friend who’s given up posting because of the way she was picked up on because of this. It’s horrible to be in that position, that you can’t love them both equally because of some views…”

                  That’s why I like it here. No jumping on anyone elses OPINION.

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            2. “Robbie Thompson was at a convention at DePaul University that dealt with fandom. He said that he repeatedly pitched an episode with Sam and Den doing laundry and each remembering the year Dean was in Purgatory. Dean would remember more about Purgatory and Benny and how traumatizing it was. Sam would remember how hard he tried to find Dean and how broken he was which was one reason that he couldn’t handle looking for Kevin”

              I would have loved to see that episode!

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              1. You see this is what I mean about a brilliant episode. This was why I was so disappointed in Fan Fiction. When we could have had so much better, and this is a superb idea. I have for ages wanted an episode where they both sit down and hash it all out, in a motel room with the lights down low! Perhaps the Baby episode might branch out into this, I really, really hope so. They can talk, we know they can talk, but don’t very often bring it out into the open. This is what I want! There said it on record.

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            3. This ^^^^ +1

              Well Sam didn’t drain the nurse for grins and giggles. He was trying to stop the Apocalypse the way everyone said it needed to be stopped by killing Lilith.

              It was a horrible moment for Sam, but it was something that he thought had to be done. Sam sees an end goal and goes for it. He hated the thought of draining that nurse but what other ways could he have done this? He needed the blood to top up on and gain that power to kill Lilith otherwise countless other lives would have been lost if he hadn’t. The nurse had a part to play in showing how dark Sam went in his journey to do what he had to do. It wasn’t pleasant, but saw why he took that decision. I bet that played on his mind for a long time after.

              Sam didn’t destroy the book, destroyed the picture and saved Dean,
              Did I miss something here, cause I don’t remember the picture?

              Others I guess didn’t know how bad it was themselves, and they were in the dark as much as Sam was.

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              1. It’s been a while and it wasn’t a great episode for me (Brad and Eugenie strike again), so I had to check but yes. Dean tells Sam to destroy the book. Sam doesn’t. By reading the book he discovers that medieval nun had put her blood and bone into the paint that was used in the painting. So Sam burns the painting to destroy her ghost.

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    2. Jenks this is what I feel too. He was desperate, and going for that demon was his last ditched attempt in getting some possible answers, and he would do anything to get that. We remember Mystery Spot, and the lengths Sam goes to when under duress. How military and focused he gets. That nothing else matters, and has to see the job through. I commend him for this and find Sam to be very courageous. When Sam was drinking in the Bunker he must have been in a right state, tossing and turning on his decisions and we know sometimes he doesn’t make the best ones, and cocks them up. At the end of it he does his best to put write his wrongs. I really felt for him when he couldn’t stop Lester and he knew at that moment it had gone too far. I guess he picked the short straw this time? I wish something good would turn up for Sam….

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