Could Lucifer make a comeback?

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A post on IMDb this week raised the question, and its been plaguing me wondering if he could emerge, thinking that the Mark of Cain is his property … Lucifer Gave Cain the mark as we know. The mark in some way or other has to be removed from Dean. I can’t see the writers allowing him to keep it for ever. So how will this mark be removed? I think one of two ways, that Cain might reverse the mark and take it back if Sam manages to track him down. The actor is making an appearance so this news is definite. However, I have not heard any news that Mark Pelligrino is returning. He may be on another project since The Tomorrow People was cancelled. Either way, if Lucifer does make a comeback, he could get wind of the exchange between Cain and Dean but would he have noticed this the first time around. Would Sam dare to make contact with Lucifer, could he? Does he have the wind power at his disposal?

Cain did say to Dean that when he called in ‘First Born’ and he would, that he wanted Dean to end his days so he could be with his beloved Colette. But then if Dean does end Cain, this still leaves Dean with the Mark? So would Dean be wise to return to Cain? If Lucifer were to return, I could see him intervening putting pressure on Sam, convincing Dean to keep the mark. But doubt the writers would release Lucifer from the cage just for this. It would have to be a big story line to force Lucifer out of the pit. Would this be worth bringing Lucifer back is my real main point. Has Lucifer been done to death, and there is no real story here for him other than the mark was originally his, and his alone.

So me tell, guys what do you think? How do you think the mark will be disposed of. Is it just as easy as Cain reversing the mark just as easily as he gave it. After all that Dean went through to prove he was worthy? Would Cain so easily want the mark back that had caused him so much pain and misery during his life anyway? And what would Lucifer have to say if he got wind that Cain didn’t want his beloved mark back? Could Lucifer cause trouble for Dean knowing he has the mark? Would this be a feasible way to release the devil himself ….

 

Did Chuck show up for a reason?

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The final scene ….

“The ticket you left with the publisher, someone claimed it”

I know the second half was a little bit wonky and had a some issues, but  blah blah …. what did you think?’

“Not Bad” Chuck replies, nods his head approvingly and smiles.

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Yes it was a cameo appearance but I cannot get this thought out of my head that if he is GOD, that has god shown up for a reason? Why is he back on Earth, to keep an eye on his flock and to see what the production made of his own story. He had appeared to approve of the production, and smiled which said it all! Some still don’t believe that Chuck is god, so had God bought Chuck back as the prophet since Kevin is no longer around just to see that events had gone smoothly, to his own interpretations? Or do you think this will still be left an untold mystery? A one time thing, just for the concert?

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One poster the other day said this “But this is what I got out of it, when Dean accepted the amulet, God showed up… ” Which some thought was smart and got me thinking that if Dean had accepted the amulet was this why God was back? Had God got further work for the boys to do? Their journey was NOT over by a long shot. Was he making sure that the brothers were finally getting back to being just brothers and appeared happy that HIS story had gone to plan. That Dean was in denial about the brothers relationship, and that he isn’t any longer that Dean approves of what they do and what they really mean to one another….

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God/Chuck/Prophet, so is there a more underlining reason why he briefly showed up. Why he had to pop in and make his presence felt in that school production a story about The brothers, Winchester? Why was he back on Earth? After all God works in mysterious ways? Is there a deeper meaning to Chuck showing up than just pondering over his own glorified words.

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So what do you think? Was there something in it, that because Dean accepted the amulet and what it truly meant, that God was happy with this and is happy that the brothers are getting along again and God is at peace with himself knowing the brothers are on the mend. Or do you think its even deeper than this. That you think God doesn’t give two figs if the brothers are getting along or not. Or That there is another problem brewing, that we don’t know about yet.

Your own feelings about this show?

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Today is a very special day for us fans and the show. So I felt I had to put some ink on the paper and celebrate and designed a new blog banner especially for the occasion.  So how do you as a fan really feel about this triumphant milestone? So much has happened within 200 episodes and so many stories have touched our hearts and melted us so many times. I think the writers were amazing in thanking us all in contributing to put their own story and nod us in its milestone. As after all, if it wasn’t for us watching, there would be no show to celebrate.

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I am dedicated to this show not because of the most obvious reason that it is in fact a horror show. The horror for me has never really come into its equation, but adds drama to the existing story line. I became hooked because of a human using supernatural powers. Seeing Sam use something so unnatural to humans stirred my imagination and engaged me on his journey. I was in ore of his struggles and how he came to try and over come them on a manly level. I think the second reason for me was the brothers relationship, this really got to my heart strings and melted me so many times I just had to stay with these boys to see what happened. 7 years on I am still with these boys and find them so captivating even more so 7 years on. Sam cannot live without Dean, and Dean cannot live without Sam. So what do they do when a death to either happens, try to bring them back by supernatural means, making a deal springs to mind. I applaud their determination to carry on, and shine a torch for each other. How through the hard times they manage to attempt to try and live without one another and have been apart more than once in 9 years. But are drawn back into the life because they cannot support themselves on their own without the other. It is heart wrenching to watch. I also think my third feeling for this show comes back to family and what FAMILY really means to them both.  Being the last men standing, and possibly being the only man standing scares them ridged to the core forcing them to do strange, unhuman things so they are not completely alone in the world. They lost their parents to the supernatural which had some considerable affect on them both for many years, and still feel their loss. Not just loosing them, but in the horrific way they died at the hands of demons.

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I think Eric Kripke’s vision was an amazing adventure, the twists and turns he implemented into the heart of these boys journeys were and still are ore inspiring to many. Some say the story is not as good as it was under his reign which is a testament to him. And others say its improved under new show-runners. Either way the boys still travel on those back roads fighting demons and other things that go bump in the night. We wonder what might happen to them next and what dangers they both have to face and over come in their supernatural world.

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Some amazing support guest stars have also been created along the way, who I feel have to have a mention, as without their talents the show would be a little duller. Honorary mentions have to go to Misha Collins, Mark A Sheppard, Mark Pellegrino, Jeffery Dean Morgan, Samantha Smith, Samantha Ferris, Tracey Dinwiddie, Kurt Fuller, Jake Abel, Robert Englund, Julian Richings, Charles Malik Whitfield, Linda Blair, Christopher Heyerdahl, Rob Benedict, Richard Speight Jr … to name but a few amazing actors to tread these boards spanning 200 episodes. Names which will linger with us for many years after the show ends. They all bought something rather special to the table and have grown to love and hate so many of them respectively. Some characters only appeared in the odd episode as a cameo but others left a more lasting impression on us that still haunts us to this day and wish they’d make a return to the show!

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So I have read huge negativity for this episode considering its event and I have to say I feel them. I am not so optimistic that it will be a good one. I just don’t feel that musicals really sit well on this show. Perhaps that is the story the meta episode that will make it as special as episodes like The French Mistake and Changing Channel’s. I knew of the musical episode being introduced but never dreampt that it would be included on the 200th. If it were a rock musical I could see it fitting into the shows genre. As rock music is a big part of this show. I as a whole love musicals so my own opinion is so torn with this idea. I didn’t like the idea of seeing fake Sam and Deans, and a cut-out Impala. Okay yes, this is a high school musical school production where a case comes up in the middle of the story. But I am still not excited over the thought of sitting through 42 minutes of dread. No Castiel, No Crowley!! just young silly, school girls with a crush on the show. Not what I was expecting. I am hugely disappointed, but perhaps I maybe rewarded and give it higher praise this week, but don’t hold my breath. I did however, want to see more Demon Dean ….. Which was cut short in its prime.

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So what are your feelings for this show. Why did you tune in, and what made you stay the long haul? How do you feel about this important milestone, that is rarely scene on TV these days. Also what do you think of our cast, and what they all bring, not just the leads. Celebrate with me and walk back down memory lane as the 200th episode airs tonight. Such a HUGE achievement beckons our horizons so how will you celebrate? Are you having a Supernatural party? for example. And what do you love about this show that still holds true with you today. Finally what are your true feelings about the story line for this episode, are their to many moaners among our fans? Or can’t you wait for it to air? Will you have a FANGIRL meltdown? You know the ritual, drop me a line and share your memories with us all …. Can’t wait to here from you!

Is Sam telling us the whole truth?

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And WHY is Dean still annoyed with Sam, when Sam did his best to save Dean? Why did Dean need to bring it up?

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Was entrapping an innocent to lure out a demon, and killing a human host the worst thing Sam did when he was alone for six months, without Dean. What is Sam keeping back from Dean that he’s not fully revealing? “There ain’t much difference from what I turned into to what you already are,” says Dean to Sam. Which is a pretty high statement from someone who is already a monster himself? So in a roundabout way, what has Dean got to really bleat about? They are both as bad as each other, or what else is Dean trying to make us all think? I felt particularly in the car we were walking on egg shells and not really getting to the truth of the matter. Sam was being evasive, or was it ‘just me’?

“You might actually be worse than me.” Dean Snarks ….

Is Dean accurate in his assumption that Sam might actually be worse than him, and he knows there’s more than Sam is ready to tell yet? Has Dean been spying on Sam knowing damned fine well what he got up to? His spies inform him that Sam’s unsavory deeds so are we going to find out what Sam did actually do during those six months apart?

Dean: So what’s this about me not being ready back there?
Sam: I’m — I wasn’t… trying to start something, Dean.
Dean: I was just saying, I thought that was the whole point of us taking a break. You know?
Oh, no. No, yeah. I get that.
Sam: And, you know, there’s no worries there.
Dean: Okay
Sam: But I gotta ask. What about you?
Dean: What about me, what?
Sam: Are you ready?
Dean: Why wouldn’t I be ready?
Dean: Lester.
Sam: Lester?

Flash back to Sam in the bar meeting Lester:

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Lester: My wife kicked me to the curb.
We haven’t had s*x for four months, but not that she hasn’t been having plenty.
It is possible that you can have your revenge.
CRD: Who summons me, and for what purpose?
Sam: Lester! Don’t!
Lester: Kill my wife, and my soul is yours.
Lester: Who are you?
Lester & CRD seal the deal with a kiss: Uhh! Ow!
Lester: You’re a punk-ass demon!
CRD: And you work for me now.
Again the pair continues to kiss [ Squish ] Uhh!
Sam: You’re serious? This is about Lester
Lester: Um, don’t get me wrong. I’m not –
Sam: I’m not — I’m not trying to start anything either, okay?
I’m just saying, maybe… maybe we oughta talk about that.
Okay, expect there’s nothing to talk about.
Dean: Okay.
Sam: Okay.
Dean: I just figured, since we’re opening up veins that maybe you’d want to talk about the guy who you made sell his soul.
Sam: The guy who you then killed, right? I mean, that’s the same guy we’re talking about?
Dean: I was a demon.
Sam: Oh, you were a demon? Oh, I didn’t realize that.
[ Chuckles ]
Dean: Hey, man, Lester was gonna pay for that soul shake sooner or later. So technically, it’s still on you.’

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Sam: What do you want from me, Dean?
Dean: Look, I w– I’m not happy about it, okay?
Sam: But I needed to find you. So if I had to… bend a few rules…
Dean: Go dark. Go dark.
Sam: Sure. Label it if you want.
Dean: Look, man, again, I’m not complaining, okay? In fact, I’m doing just the opposite of complaining. I… I just… You know, between Lester and the others…
Sam: There weren’t others.
Dean: Okay, either way, maybe we both needed that time off. This is good. This is good.
Sam: Yeah. [ Whispers ] Okay.

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Dean seemed really judgmental regarding Sam’s actions. I felt Dean was quizzing Sam like the demon in him was still wanting answers and nagging him. Yes Dean has nagged Sam in the past, but this seemed niggly like he was picking on a moment just to rattle Sam. So are we to assume that Dean thinks there were others, other humans that Sam may have conned into making a deal? Is this what Dean is suspicious of? Doesn’t Dean trust Sam again here? Sam forcefully insures Dean that there were no ‘OTHERS.’ So why the pussy footing around when Sam had it under control so he thinks? Sam after all this time did save Dean’s hide, but I felt like he was thanking him one minute. Then laying his law down thick on him the next. Sam was caring and wanted to find out how Dean was. But was he prepared for the backlash that came from Dean.

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Maybe I am reading too much into this, but it just seems a shame when Sam goes to all this trouble and effort for him to have his big brother hi-jack his efforts. How did you see Dean’s remarks about wanting to know if there were in fact ‘others’ that Sam might not have been telling Dean the whole truth? Do you think he is keeping anything back that hasn’t been fully explained, or ironed out? Do you think that they are setting up Dean to kill Sam. Something doesn’t feel right with this whole Mark of Cain still lurking in the dark. Could this dark magic still be drifting towards something a confrontation between the brothers that is sparked by the mark. Dean still needs the urge to kill, and Sam is closest to him at the moment. Is Dean’s anger beginning to bubble under the surface?

Could Dean be faking it to get to the blade?

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On IMDb discussions are taking place that is Dean faking being cured, to find the blade? I noticed and hoped others did that his eyes un-glossed when Sam injected the last needle into Dean. So I took it from this that Dean wasn’t faking it. Some are suggesting that Cas could see Dean’s true form and he would know?

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His only reason to fake being cured, and hunt with Sam, could be to eventually find out where The first blade was hidden. My guess if he was faking.

This thought really made me think, if he was tricking Sam and make him believe that he was cured, Dean could pull it off, could he? The Mark is still apparent and is to reappear later on, so this could be a strong indication that the demon may still be lurking deep in Dean some where. Is Dean still human, technically as to me when Metatron stabbed him, Dean was dead!! So how much humanity is still in there? What appears to be there is that the demon is supposedly cured, and that Dean is still not okay? As the Mark of Cain still remains and that if Dean finds the blade it just reignites the demon that might be laying dormant?

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So how do you feel about Deanmon, do you think he’s home and all is hunky dory? But I wonder if our writers could twist this into something rather magical. Many columnists and recaps have all said the same thing that Dean’s story was cut short, which again makes me think that its not over until the fat lady sings? I always remember Azazel telling Dean when he came back from the dead, was Sam 100% Sam, and I can’t help but feel the same here?

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So I hope you all enjoy the episode tonight, and leave messages for me in the morning. I think with the girl from ‘Bitten’ coming back, it won’t be all that exciting but I might be proved wrong. Not long to go now. Paper Moon is a song title, so I wonder what the connection will be this time mmmmmh.

So has this been Sam’s worst act so far?

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I have been dreading finding out what Sam did during those first six months without his brother. Knowing how Sam has been in the past about Dean being missing from his life and the lengths that he would go to, to save Dean. Sam is very regimental in his approach to this touchy subject, and we knew it might involve and innocent life, which in this respect it clearly has. Sam is anxious about finding Dean and bringing him back home whether he dies trying or not. But have those actions harmed someone, has Sam used a person to get information from a demon to find Dean’s location?

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Was this really low for Sam to go is the question I’m asking. Has he gone to far this time in honing in on a man who was clearly troubled, and had problems of his own. Who wasn’t in his right frame of mind who had been coursed into something he may not have been compass mentice about? Has Sam condemned an innocent man to hell? Did he really need to do this, in order to trap a demon?

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In the end Dean killed an innocent man. So had this act snowballed involving both brothers. And did Leicester really need to be the pawn in all this? Was his sex life and pity something that Sam used in order to get to the meat of his problem? Had Sam completely lost his mind this time? Had he got in too deep and the act had got out of hand. Leicester had really done nothing wrong and I was surprised that he had used an innocent man, when Sam could have used a drug offender or any evil person.

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So taking Sam’s feelings into account, how would you have dealt with this if you were Sam? Was it an act of sheer desperation that Sam couldn’t do this any other way. Was this the best way to achieve making contact with a demon. The question on my lips is, will Sam regret this move later on? So do you feel Sam has condemn an innocent life to death at the hands of his brother. Do you think it was a good twist to the story, or do you think the writers got it wrong, and have twisted this to make Sam look bad again, when Dean has done some bad stuff too? Has Sam this time taken away Dean’s Agency and gone against his wishes? Was Sam causing unnecessary suffering when he didn’t really need to?

Drop me a line as usual ……

Why was Sam such a prick?

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I can’t believe I didn’t think of this sooner, but something bugged me about this episode and that was when Crowley decides that he can’t handle Dean and gives him back to Moose. Then Moose the twat hands the blade back to Crowley. Why oh why did Sam not dispose of it himself, or even ask Cas to deposit it. Why the hell did he give it back to the damned devil who started all this mess off in the first place. I thought that Sam had so much more damned sense. Was this a wise thing to have done considering?

Usually I am so proud of Sam, but this really peed me off that he would trust Crowley after everything when he said himself in the bunker dungeon, you got him into this mess, you can damned well get him out.’ Sam wants to gank him for what he’s put Dean through then all of a sudden he appears on best terms with the man, who clearly can’t be trusted. The Mark of Cain still lingers on Dean, and that is going to surface again later down the line. Who’s to say that Crowley will dispose of the blade, or keep it close by so he can entrap Dean later on again. I don’t know what the writers were trying to prove with that scene considering how much we all know Sam hates Crowley. How can he even breath the same air as the man.

What did you think of this move from Sam? Do you think it was the right move? Would Cas have been a better more responsible move knowing of Crowley’s one upmanship to lure Dean into this trap in the first place?

Dean’s note to Sam?

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On IMDb this thought came up in a posters head canon that they don’t think that Dean wrote the note to Sam when Sam went into find him. They seem to think that Crowley could have written it. Dean’s writing was analysed looking back on a note from Dean in Point of No return Season 5. The third photo which I have found from Season 7 when Dean sends a letter back to the future in ‘Time after Time is also very similar the writing doesn’t flow as much its printed handwriting.

 When I actually look at the two pieces of handwriting I begin to wonder this myself, that the hand writing is more flowing where as the second photograph looks more capitalized. This begs the question if Crowley did write the note, what state was Dean in when he woke up. Had Crowley written this before Dean woke or zapped him some where and came back to write the note. If Dean is this far gone that worries me as there couldn’t be any feeling there for his brother what so ever. Or has Crowley softened and acting his more human self?

This saddens me because Crowley if he has written the note is being more sympathetic than Dean? I was hoping its from Dean as it would have much more meaning behind the note. So do you think the note is FAKE?

Are there any distinct differences between the brothers?

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Many of us watch the show because we love both brothers or one brother more than the other. So Over the years and this evening being a rather special night moving forward into season 10, how do you really see the brothers? A question I feel I have thought about for sometime now, and wonder myself what differences there are or even how alike they are as brothers. What appears to be missing from their lives as apposed to what they do have currently going on in their lives.

Jeremy Carver has recently stated in an interview that regular Dean, if he’s anything, is loyal to a fault. I think you’ll see a Demon Dean who is a much more questionable moral character than regular Dean, even though regular Dean has his moral failings. You’ll see definite distinctions. I think the interesting part which we sort of explore is how much real Dean is still in there in terms of how much control does real Dean have over Demon Dean. And that’s something we deal with head-on in certain circumstances and in some ways we leave it open to interpretation.

So taking into account that Demon Dean is so very different from regular Dean how will he fair going into season 10? Dean has as JC said you will see distinctions between the two characters as to see how far off the rails DD will go. How different will DD be to when Sam didn’t have his soul for example. Will the stories be similar in the fact that they are both not themselves, and not human any longer? Is this what makes the boys distinct that they are human, and having to deal with these unusual supernatural interference’s that as a viewer we have a hard time deciding how far this non human character goes before we think that’s bad, the writing has crossed the line. Do you fear for your character going so far dark that it might put you off them because of that particular story being told?

So after nine full on years, how do we really understand these boys? what is in their make-up that makes them stand out, and appeal to us that we can’t put the story down and say that was a horrible story, or that was a great story? As far as the writing goes I have found that Dean has the purer story behind him where as Sam has this dark cloud over him virtually from the jump, or at least end of season 3 where Sam started to change in personality. So when we look at what the boys have been dealt, do you sense any real differences that no one might have noticed that appealed to you or didn’t?

So here we are going into season 10 on this amazing mile stone and this Blog’s 2nd birthday on Thursday how do you feel the relationship will pan out and develop. Do you have any nagging doubts that the boys won’t be on even terms or that they will struggle to be both heard throughout their nightmare of a story line. I wonder where the second half of the season will take us, as Carver tends to split the season up with two separate arc’s once Deanmon is over following on from the MoC story where will the back end of S10 go, do any of you have any clearer ideas?

So remember the drill as usual guys, please give me all the juicy details of how the episode went and I will look forward in reading them tomorrow. I hope its a cracker of an episode premier’s usually are. Thank you all again for sticking with me and this blog for another year, your all amazing everyone of you! I’ve also been looking through some talented fan art and I think these drawings are amazing. Hope you like them.

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Dean’s Journey into Demon-hood?

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Thinking back to ‘First Born’ and Dean meeting Cain I keep wondering what Dean’s thoughts were when he decided to jump in and do a deal with Cain and transfer that Mark? What was Dean really thinking when he decided to think first and ask his usual questions later sort of style. The Dean we really know. Thinking prior to this, and how Dean really got to the point where he wanted the deal that he felt so bad after allowing his brother to be possessed by an angel, and trick his brother into letting him in. Did Dean think he was poison that everyone around him gets hurt. Had this deal gone so badly wrong that Dean wanted a way out. A passage back to normality before the possession ever happened. Had he sunk so low that the recklessness of taking on the mark would cure his other pits of despair. His brothers rejection and his own toxic self loathing. What a cocktail. Had this really damaged Dean that when faced with the mark that he saw it as a way out, that in fact he wanted to try and do some good even if it meant on taking something so bad and evil that would change him long term.

What really pushed Dean over the edge and be reckless enough to take such a risk, that he was pre-warned by Cain that it does come with a terrible burden. Which we are now learning that if Dean doesn’t kill the mark will kill him. So he has to keep up the ritual of killing. So why did Dean not stop for one brief second, rewind and just wonder if this risk was worth it. Dean did deal without even thinking is my point of this story telling. Was he so blind that the adventure ahead would be paved with something so horrible that he didn’t want to be. If he had stopped to think would it have turned this story on its head and gone a different way? Is the story telling proving that Dean doesn’t think before he acts that he is so gullible and it is his very nature to just dive in and create his own problems later on. Is this the very core of Dean Winchester? If our Dean is so bright, why was he so damned stupid to take the risk, such a risk that could possibly destroy his very existence. I can’t believe how this writing makes Dean look, that its landed him in such hot, bleak mind blowing depths. How could he have been so stupid.

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So my question is, if you were Dean would you have hesitated and thought about the consequences of what might happen to you if you did take the risk?

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