This mark is driving me up the wall. I have recently read debbab’s article on Supernaturally Devoted (brilliant by the way) which has really got me thinking hard. Crowley lead Dean right up the garden path having known about the blade to kill Abaddon for years. He’s setting Dean up in a big way but for what reason? Is it more than getting a job done, and using his partner in crime?
The Mark of Cain is huge to the mythology, and Cain had one expressive wish that once he’d transferred that mark that he would come looking for Dean and wants Dean to basically kill him. Cain desperately wants to die and die a peaceful man. He sees Dean as a passage out. Is Cain planning to leave Dean with the mark permanently? Cain has seen that Dean is the worthy one to be entrusted with that mark. As Crowley or Cain set Dean up with the demons to prove this much.
Is this season mirroring season 4? Is Dean heading back to HELL once again? Does Crowley want Dean to be the King of hell? All this setting up on Crowley’s part, all this orchestrating has to be for a reason, but what? I also thought too about the first born child could the mark only be transferred to a first born, as was Cain? Is it more than Dean just being worthy? I also found the end scene confusing to understand was Crowley laying it on thick for Dean to show him he was worthy? So he’d go along with it?
Also on the subject of the last episode, does anyone else think that Cas is also bluffing? Was he covering up about the grace that he retrieved from Sam. Does Cas want to get to Gadreel and smite him himself? Or is it more than this? After reading Tessa’s grip thread they didn’t believe he was being truthful and didn’t buy his speech about what he’d picked up whilst being human. Why have the writers got all three main characters gunning for Gadreel? What real purpose has Sam had in this arc since parting from Dean? How do we actually know that Sam is totally human. Cas only removed the grace from Sam, which had nothing to do with his demon blood extraction?
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Really enjoyed reading all these comments. There sure is a lot to think about. I wonder if tomorrow’s episode will help us calm down? One question that isn’t related directly to this thread but is bugging me: Did Sam get a new anti-possession tattoo after having the old one removed so that Crowley could possess him? I’d hate to have him running around without one. Can anyone help me with this– and sorry if it already has been hashed over– if it has, I missed it. AB/C
I think Debbab kindly answered your question up the thread. Glad you like the comments. I think this weeks is a filler too by the looks of it. I do recall them having Cas sear into their ribs enochian sigials. But not sure about the tattoo situation now since Cas has removed Sam’s.
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watch it mysteriously re appear
As if by MAGIC!
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So far we have not seen Sam’s chest so it is unknown whether he had another anti-posession tattoo inscribed. Perhaps there may be another possibility of possession( I hope not) so they are leaving it unanswered. However, maybe this week when Sam is in the spa we can take a look- if we are so lucky to have a shirtless scene- Oh how I objectify sometimes.
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Okay! Time for some corrections. Not stepping on anyone’s toes and if I get stuff wrong let me know. 😀
1. When Dean brought Sam back after he died there wasn’t anything wrong with Sam. He came back pretty much the way he left. The yellow -eyed demon was just messing with Deans head. Trying to make him feel worse about his demon deal.
I did wonder this, as always we know demons lie. But it was just the way Azazel said it. Like he could possibly be telling the truth, look at how he killed Jake in the cemetery, even Dean didn’t like it which made him ask Bobby if it could be true!
2.Crowley hasn’t been looking for the blade for years, I don’t think. I think he only just started looking for the blade when Abaddon showed up. She didn’t show up until last year. So Crowley has maybe been looking for a couple of weeks. Remember hes been tied up in the bunker since season eight and didn’t even know who Abaddon was when they met in the church.
I thought I heard him say so to Dean in the bar, I might be wrong. True he has been in the bunker for months 😉
3. I don’t know why people keep blowing this out of proportion but Sam didn’t disown Dean. He’s not really even mad at him in a bad way. He mostly seems tired and exasperated by Dean’s shenanigans. He forgives him but he doesn’t trust him. What he said to Dean was he can work with Dean like any co-worker because they work so well together, but he can’t work with him like a brother unless Dean changes his attitude. In other words he can’t give him brotherly trust but he can give him partner trust. HE DID NOT DISOWN DEAN! And the people on that board are just being a bunch of hysterical ninnies this week. I think I’m maybe the only person who thought it was hilarious when Dean lied to him right in that episode and Sam knowing how Dean is and not trusting him to tell the truth was standing around the corner and caught him lying – once again trying to protect Sam.
I was probably reading it wrong as I hadn’t seen it all from the top. It just felt that way at first. He is in a very bad way and is processing it. Your right I think he’s forgiven him but its the trusting part he can’t get his head around. It was actually quite manly of him when you think about it. He’s been really forward in how he’s approached all this. He’s not let Dean off the hock so easily as I thought he would. That’s all credit to him.
4. Dean left Sam because once again he thinks he’s protecting Sam from harm. The irony is that Sam can still get hurt even when Dean’s not with him. In fact the irony is that Sam would have been killed on this hunt if Dean hadn’t showed up. (Cuz really Garth can’t save anybody.) I’m one of the few people who feel’s good about that episode. They don’t hate each other. They are renegotiating their relationship on Sam’s terms. And that’s not necessarily a bad thing.
I know, its like the writers have twisted this all around. If Sam was totally alone he would have got killed no two ways about it. It was a tad boring and predictable this week, it did bore me after the last three were so good. But the ending really turned me up side down. Its getting your head around it all. He’s helping Dean I think see the error of his ways. He’s trying to tame Dean I think. I do really feel for Dean this year, and sometimes wonder if it was the best way to go about all this. Dean’s done some shady stuff in the past, but at the end of the day he was saving Sam’s life. I can see all the bad stuff in between and its hard when you love both of them.
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I really doubt Crowley wants Dean to be the king of hell. I think Crowley wants Abaddon dead as quick as possible so he can be king just that fast.
I doubt this now, it was just a thought in my head at the time, when you get used to me you will notice this is a habit of mine. I have wild imagination. 😉 Welcome to the group luca good to see another new face. He does want Abaddon dead quickly. But its taken him years to find the blade and half a season off his thrown to get rid of her. Its taking him a long old while.
As far as the mark is concerned it’s way too early to be making guesses I’m only saying this cause the writer’s did some effed up shit in this show as far as writing it goes so who knows they may just troll us again.
I think there is something in it, cause the forum were saying today how fast and accurate Dean was at throwing the blade, and they weren’t sure if it was the mark that was controlling it. Making Dean way more powerful. Sam is loosing his supernatural powers, and Dean is gaining some evil ones.
I do think Castiel found out where Gadreel is he just didn’t want to endanger anyone besides himself cause now he know’s just how precious human life is.
I still think its more than this, he’s been shady in the past, maybe being human has taught him stuff. But what about Malacki’s grace, he was a bad angel, and he’s taken in a bad guy’s grace what about those repercussions?
-It’s all about the PB&J yo!!
I know, that scene was rather cute wasn’t it. I am not a Jelly person or P&B but a Jam person myself 😉
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Yes. Jelly not Jam. Interesting that Sam goes to New Mexico to look for Gadreel. Season back Dean asked Cas if god was on a tortilla in New Mexico. Somehow Cas needs to have Sam involved in the Gadreel revenge plan and can’t gank Gadreel on his own. Ah the life of a writer! And despite Dean and Crowley working together, Dean has no fondness of the demon. He’ll deal with him later he says and then justifies it “the devil u know”. If Dean can work with Crowley then Sam can work with Dean. Dean knows he can’t trust Crowley and works with him. Sam does not trust Dean but chooses to hunt with him. Any parallel lines seen?
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Yes I suppose there’s that but I think it is still un-known if a bad angel’s grace has any effect I think that could make for a good plot in the future.
It would, wouldn’t it. But I bet they will forget about it. You know what their like. 😉
I think the Leviathan’s… have been awfully quiet don’t you think or did they all go to Purgatory with Dick? I can’t seem to think back that far I do remember Dick exploding and Dean and Cas going to to Purgatory. It would of been fun to see the Leviathan’s and Angel’s clash maybe too much chaos.
Yes they would have gone back to Purgatory because Dick was the boss, when he goes they all go. The Levi didn’t do very much for me, I found them dull. When they were in purgatory and came up out of the ground as black goo that was really visually impressive. But generally I found Dick the actor poor and not scary enough. If Edgar had been the boss, it would have been very different.
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As far as we know, all of the Leviathans went to Purgatory when Dick exploded. Cut off the head and the body doesn’t know what to do said one of our characters to Dean in season 7. Perhaps Crowley said it-after all he is Crowley and knows much demon/monster lore. Leviathans were a not so hot plot chaser so I hope they stay in limbo a bit longer.
Wasn’t it said cut of the head, and the body will flounder? Not sure if I remembered that right 😉 The Levi really did bore me, I hope they don’t make a re-appearance.
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I thought the part where Crowley pulled the contract on Dick was funny as hell lol
That’s what I love about Crowley, he never ceases to amaze me. Any moment he will pull a new card out on us that we’ve not seen before. He really is a master of all he survey’s. I wasn’t that keen on Dick though.
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Yes it was but that was Crowley after all he is King of the Deals.
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I was worried about Dean but after 9.12 I see that Dean still has the ability to work through things and re-focus on important tasks. While I am still concerned about the mark of Cain’s repercussions and Dean’s humanity, I am concerned about Sam’s coldness. His focus is so narrow and unemotional I just wonder if Cas took out all of the effects from Gadreel. I felt Gadreel in some of Sam’s delivery- Good confusion Jared!
I have had my suspicions about Cas for ages, something just didn’t feel right to me about the way he handled the syringe, the look on his face. The hand gesture on Sam’s shoulder after the hug. He’s up to something or covering something up, I can just feel it. Sam appears cold looking at the end scene which I saw on you-tube today and it broke my heart, I crumbled inside. I get the feeling that the writers are doing something with the brothers and not sure where their taking them emotionally. Being tampered with something supernatural I had doubts about Sam’s nature for a while, and this sneaky suspicion fills me with more dread. Does Cas not want Sam to find Gadreel why was he so cagey? Why is he holding back on something? Gadreel had been in Sam for sometime, and we don’t know what he was doing in there. Did Gadreel leave grace behind deliberately? So he could maybe return to that vessel or something!
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Okay you asked a bunch of questions there.
I too was more than a little suspicious of Cas during the extraction. I kept expecting him to take that grace for himself but he didn’t and hes probably on the up and up. As for lying about finding Gadreel, there are any number of reason’s he’d do that and none of them are evil or bad. He probably just wants the honor of taking out Gadreel on his own and figures hes protecting the brother’s when he does. Although what he need’s to do is take out Abaddon. She’s afraid of angels so my guess is they can hurt her. But I also understand why he wouldn’t because he would never help Crowley and Crowley would never ask for his help.
I grant you it might not be evil or bad. But considering Cas’s record even when he said out loud to Sam in the past I can’t help but think he’s on the make. He may well be protecting the boys but from what? They are big boys who could take Gadreel out any day of the week. Okay Gad has powers he could reclaim Sam and take him hostage. Yes Cas would protect them from Gadreel. Which is what I could see as the boys do not poses supernatural powers just yet. 😉 Abaddon really does have everyone wound up. I am surprised though its taken them this long to snuff her out. How many years had Crowley been searching for that blade?
As for Sam being human. Yes! He is completely and totally human now. The demon blood is gone. Its just not a factor anymore and Cas got rid of the last of the grace and I believe him. As for leaving the grace behind, I think all angel’s do this, probably as a way of finding their vessels again should they need to leave it for some reason. Tahmoh’s character probably had some grace left in him making it much easier to get consent when Gadreel returned to him. That way an angel can always be assured of having a vessel if some reason it had to leave it. He cant do that with Sam as there’s no grace left for Gadreel to find him with.
Yeap I am with you I thought I was right about the grace being left behind. But still don’t get how Sam is completely human, that’s still confusing me. I find it odd that extracting an angels grace can take out the demon blood in one hit too?
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We know the demon blood is gone because Sam could NEVER have used tainted blood to cure Crowley or make him human. In order for Crowley to become even a little bit human the blood being given to him would HAVE to be pure. So… Sam’s blood was purified by the trials that came before Crowley. It was said that Sam had internal burns. This burning is probably what killed off his demon taint unfortunately burning out all the demon taint left him in a coma.
There is something I remember about season 5 when God put them on that plane, he said to Dean he thought god must have cleansed the blood or something. So I always thought he was possibly dormant, and could have come back. I realized this about the confession box that that was the whole point of him taking the confession other wise he couldn’t perform the spell. I must have missed that bit about internal burns, Sam really was in pain then. He really has been to hell and back. Its a wonder our Sammy is still here 😦
The fact that he didn’t finish the trial has nothing to do with his purity. It just means he didn’t finish curing Crowley and saying the magic words which was all that needed doing.
Yeap, I agree with you on this.
Trust me, Sam is pure. There’s no demon blood in him.
I believe you MUM!!! 😉 He doesn’t even know it does he, I hope he’s happier when he does eventually find out. He’s been wanting this for so long now its hard to remember a time when he didn’t.
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Dean having the Mark of Cain cannot be good in any sense of the word. I believe that it is very ominous and something big is going to happen because of it. It could be that the season finale will be a cliff hanger having to do with the Mark of Cain. I can totally see Dean and Sam with there eyes wide open having just found out that the Mark means some sort of horrible fate for Dean and then the finale ends and fans are left breathlessly waiting for season 10. I could also be way off and the Mark ends of being something that the boys can handle in a single episode and move on. This, of course, is the beauty of SPN… It gets you thinking and keeps you on your toes.
Many of us are on this wave-length too. I am wondering if the mark has anything to do with heaven as its connected to Lucifer. I wonder if this is how the angels get back home as they haven’t talked about this for a while. Sam will I hope save Dean which is where it feels like its going. Last year was a sacrifice so whether they will go in a similar vein I don’t know. All I hope is that it repairs the damage that’s been done to the relationship now. It also makes me wonder if Dean ends up in hell. I thought the king of hell, but then others on the board said Dean being the Knight of Hell working along side Crowley which I sort of like. But then where does this leave Sam?
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“Crowley would have to be worthy of it i personally don’t think he is”
I think part of being worthy is being righteous so Crowley is not worthy. Cain wasn’t a bad man, he gave up his soul to save his brother.
This was why Crowley tagged onto Dean because of him being righteous. The mark I doubt would transfer to him any way for this reason.
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I’m just hoping that Dean doesn’t keep the mark a secret from Cas and Sam. Enough secrets this season already.
I know the secrets and lies do you in don’t they, I can’t keep up with them all. I think Cas will be cross after he said those words to Sam last week.
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I was wondering that myself. I hope the writers don’t turn it into some long, drawn out thing between them. What I hope happens is that Cas, in his usual blunt manner recognizes what’s happened and doesn’t give Dean a chance to keep it a secret.
The trouble is with this show is they like to milk it, and draw it out. So who knows how long it will take before he spills the beans. They never come out right and say stuff it drives me nuts. Its obviously bothering Dean and keeping stuff pent up doesn’t do him any favors either. Ikeke am I going to walk away liking this episode. As judging from the board tonight I am rather depressed from what I have read. And as per Sam is getting slaughtered. 😦
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Well, no Cas/Crowley last night but I did like the episode okay. Dean just came right out and told Sam about the Mark when Sam saw it, so that’s out of hte way. Maybe some bigger drama about it later.
I just asked you in an earlier post if I would walk away liking it. The board is really angry tonight particularly after what Sam said at the end. Working as co-workers but not as brothers. Some also said about the mark that Sam did appear cold as debbab said that he almost appears different in some way. Like he almost couldn’t give a damn shrugging it off.
Sam is/was pretty cold towards Dean because he very rightfully is still angry with him. He has trust issues with Dean and he said as much to him. But I’m just glad they’re willing to work on it. They aren’t there yet though and some fan’s issues with Sam and Dean simply aren’t going to ever be addressed because it’s really not that type of show.
Yes he has every right to tell Dean how he feels, Dean knows he did wrong and wants to pay the price for upsetting Sam this is really clear. Your right its not that type of show, but at least they are trying to comprehend what’s happened and not push it to one side as they used to.
I mean we all want something emotionally for and from these characters but this is not a psychology show. The purpose of the show is to be entertaining so it’s not going to delve as deeply into a subject as people want it to do. There’s a lot of Meta to be mined from the show and that’s a lot of fun to talk about but ultimately the writers just want to tell an interesting and entertaining story.
But they just continue to re-cycle old plots, this to me reminded me of Sympathy for the devil in season 5 when Dean said he couldn’t trust Sam any longer. They keep breaking down, splitting up and not really resolving it. Then it happens all over again. More secrets and more lies. I feel for these characters and guess I sometimes want more for them than what I am seeing. At least they are talking like men and not walking away from it. It is entertaining, but its so heartbreaking to watch too. I hate seeing them at odds all the time.
So, I try never to get upset at the subjects they sort of gloss over in the show, the way a lot of fans do because it’s really not a show about therapy(although the characters seem to need it )
I do try but sometimes it does get to you, particularly the negativity on the board. I really could mother them at times, and shake them and say snap out of it and grow up, put your differences behind you and get over it. But then I get so emotional too. Even more so this season with Dean, because I felt he had no other choice and he wouldn’t let Sam die. We know he wouldn’t. As their would be no show if Sam did. I am just tired of the angst and melodrama, as some say its not a soap opera, its about family.
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patience. The mark of Cain is a mark on Dean’s soul IMHO. Patience. This is a 3 year arc if the network renews and if the actors sign on beyond season 10. Lots of ifs….but that mark will have dire consequences. Sam’s quick reaction to it is not typical of brother Sam. Patience.
Okay Mum 😉 I will keep calm. But its so spooky wondering where it will lead him, and what will happen to him at the end of it. I still think it has some connection with Lucifer but not sure what.
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Well I told you not to go to those boards as I don’t think the people on those boards have a solid, rational grasp of just how awful what Dean did. He allowed Sam to be possessed which is problem number one. Especially since Sam knows what thats like from Meg and Lucifer. How could he do that knowing how Sam would feel. Sam feels like Dean is always taking his decisions away from him and hes right. He does.
I know mum, 😉 you did tell me but it is my ONE WEAKNESS. I can’t help it. I know what Dean’s done. Once the fat in the fire I didn’t expect back lash at Sam’s door, their still sticking up for Dean and find fault with Sam going back into the past and chucking this at him too. When Dean does something wrong it occasionally backfires like after Amy Pond, but this over Sam is still really weird. Sam has and always will be the bad guy in their eyes even when this time he’s done NOTHING wrong. 😦
And number two he lied it about for weeks. There’s an issue of trust right there. Since the apocalypse Sam has been brutally honest about everything with Dean (look at season 7) . He seems to have learned his lesson after Ruby.
I know it was a deceitful thing to do. I know how wrong that possession was, and what it entails. I think Sam has learnt since season 4 but their still not prepared to take that fact on board. They are so blinkered. Dean really felt bad over the whole thing, if there was another way I am sure he would have taken it. Sam has suffered the most over this being kept in the dark the whole time and not being allowed to be himself through out. But I do wonder if any other brother in his shoes would have done the same thing? We know Dean’s record for making deals to save Sam and doesn’t get any easier, he isn’t learning.
Three: Sam seems to think that if he’d died the gates of hell would have closed and Kevin would still be alive. But mostly the issue is trust. He is getting very tired of Dean making decisions for him that end up affecting the world and people getting hurt because Dean can’t let go. Sam feels he can’t make decisions about his own life without Dean counteracting them and treating him like the child he used to be.
I know, this all stems from John, what he lumbard on Dean’s shoulders. Dean really does need to learn to let go, he can’t keep on lording it over Sammy. I know its not healthy, but I just feel for both of them. Its a horrible mess to be in and how Sam will work through this will be a miracle. But one day I hope he forgives Dean and sees why he did it.
Basically Sam laid down the law last night. Dean has to treat him like an equal who can make decisions for himself and not like a child he can make decisions for in order to protect him or for his own good. It has gone on long enough and their relationship has to change. Too many people have gotten hurt because Dean can’t let go of a childhood command to take care of his brother.
I am pleased he had the chance, as normally the writers ignore stuff like this. I wish you were on the board, as they wouldn’t like to here this statement 😉 Its very much younger sibling stuff, where Sam feels suffocated just like he did and why he left Dean for Ruby. He was pending him in in exactly the same way. I wonder how Sam copes with it sometimes. At least the writers have acknowledge this and made it canon. It is a big step forward. Its really going to be tough love from here on in. I bet the following weeks will be really tough to watch.
Sam was cold because he’s angry and he has every right to be angry for having his autonomy stripped from him by first Dean and then Gadreel. Sam didn’t do anything wrong last night but act like a mature adult and talk to Dean like a grownup. Some people think he was harsh but I didn’t see it that way. I saw it as Sam leaving the door open for Dean to learn something and change and grow. Now its up to Dean if he wants to do that. Dean seemed to agree with this. Basically this was Sam saying hes a grown man and Dean needs to start treating him like one. I do not think this was mean. And Sam doesn’t need to get over it just because this makes some fans uncomfortable.
I know that’s why he’s cold. But just wondered if it was more to it than that. Sam’s been influenced by the supernatural before. He’s died and come back not right remember when he shot Jake? I’ve read this to that he’d left the door open. From what clip I saw I noticed Dean got back into the car so he’s agreed to the fact of not being brothers. So in Sam’s own way he’s disowned Dean the brother?
The argument isn’t about what Dean did. It’s about his attitude and why he did it. Sam knows Dean loves him but that love has/is becoming a prison to hold Sam to him and Sam can feel that. It needs to change. Dean needs to let go of John or let go of Sam. He can’t keep living according to something John said to him at 4 years old.
Oh boy, they would really love you on the board. 😉 They would be screaming from the roof tops. They could not take this in one little bit. Dean having attitude ….. Its been this way since season 4, probably even before if I’m honest. Sam I would guess feels on a leash, a dog that can never run free. I’m glad you said it was on John and not Dean. Dean only looks out for Sam it was John’s mentality that bleed on into Dean, and Dean didn’t really know any different. What do they say, like father like son!’
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I don’t think Sam should “get over” what Dean did so quickly either. Possession is such an invasion of the person’s being. Trust has to be in any relationship for it to work. One time when Dean and Sam split it was because Dean could not trust Sam and Sam admitted that he himself didn’t trust himself either. Within 9.12 Dean stayed true to form when he tried to keep the information about Garth’s escape from Sam, but Sam knows Dean’s tricks all to well. It was hard for Sam to get over Dean’s fake phone call in season 8 but this possession is far worse. On the other hand, Dean’s moment with Garth talking about staying with his wife if he found happiness is Dean realizing he did not know what he had until it was gone(Sam). Sam is mistaken however about the Gates of Hell since the whole trial scenario was a set up by Metatron and if we believed Naomi, the gates would not have closed but Sam would have died. Of course, everyone has their own piece of responsibility about Kevin’s death. Dean thinks he is doing the right thing for Sam. You never outgrow being the older sibling and it drives younger siblings wacko. Yes, Sam was ready to die, He made an adult decision but it may have been misinformed too. He is completely human yes. The delivery of his lines to Dean were meant to be cold. He has made a choice to hunt with Dean but the trust is the elephant in the room and so glad he expressed it right away.
There are some good points to think about here. I will be interested in viewing this episode. The possession is far worse as there was much more than one factor to consider. (I can feel a thread coming on) I think he’s just lashing out with the gates thing, he’s been in a coma for ages also and not thinking straight. Some physio angel has hi-jacked his body. Your right about Kevin, they all feel the guilt, which again will take time to get over. Dean’s looking out for Sam in the way he knows how. I do see his points too in all this, and its a shame its come out in such a mess. Another mess to tag on to the bed post in the Winchester family dynasty.
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OWhat I like is that Sam is at least learning. He has worked very hard since Ruby to be brutally honest with Dean ever since. I’m citing season seven and eight here. He could have kept secrets but he didn’t. He was open with his feelings no matter what. He worked hard to regain Deans trust and part of the reason he wanted to die in Sacrifice is because he believed he’d failed at regaining that trust.
This goes right back to Mans Best Friend when Sam said Dean didn’t trust anyone but himself. I understand completely why Dean is like that but its still frustrating. What it looks like to Sam is that Dean doesn’t trust him to know what’s best for himself. I understand that elder sibling thing. Chuck knows I do as I have two younger sisters but at some point a person cant keep trying to protect someone by trampling all over their ability to make choices. Even if they’re bad ones. I have to remind myself constantly when I disapprove of something they’ve done to just let them do it. Don’t nag them about and be calm.
Another way Sam sees this is that every single time Dean has opted to save his life, someone else died in his place. He said this to Cas last episode. His life isn’t worth more or less than anyone else’s. But Cas has a different viewand he expressedit in such a gentle way that you can miss it. He says Sam’s life is precious to other people. That Sam is loved and that’s why I think Sam says what he said. To Dean last night. He wants to be with him and wants to be family but Dean must redefine how to be family for that to happen. There’s other ways for Dean to show his love for his brother that wont result in someone else dying or Dean trampling all over Sam’s decisions. Even when he doesn’t like those decisions.
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Dean doesn’t know what he had with Sam till its gone- he seems to see it in Garth and it shocks him into the sorta apology at the Impala. too easy a fix- more realistic yes?. Sam has been more open, although he did try to hide the fact he was ill from the first 2 trials. Sam strives to stand on his own away from Dean and maybe his tough love is trying to show Dean he can make his own choices as he did with Amelia and Dean last season. Further differentiation of the characters by the writers-me likey. Tough love for Dean perhaps. If Dean lets Sam make his own decisions(again) perhaps Dean can focus and develop some outside interests(ha ha) like basket weaving or wine making. Just needed to add some humor since the relationship is so edgy.
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I can see beer making maybe. Lord, can he drink!
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I’d rather he work on my engine.
Do you mean Crowley lol, yes please.
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if Crowley is truly evil again he probably wants the mark for himself I don’t know how that would I think Crowley would have to be worthy of it I personally don’t think he
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If he wanted the mark for himself why did he lead Dean up the garden path hock, line and sinker. Crowley does require to be worthy. I think Crowley was hinting he wouldn’t have minded it himself but new himself that Dean was more worthy than himself. If that makes sense.
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C. doesn’t need the mark, he needs the instrument so Dean can be his “bitch” and do the killing. Do not think Crowley would kill Abaddon by his own hand when he can have Dean do his dirty work. More Crowley’s style.
Precisely. This was why Crowley was hunting for the blade for years, he’d had this all worked out yonks ago. He really did lead Dean on, but Dean didn’t do much about it. It was like he almost again shrugged it off. He questioned Crowley but not in the way I imagined he would. I did love how Crowley just worms his way in and always gets one over on the boys.
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That’s all well and good and he can make all the plans he wants but at the end of the game Crowley may find that he went to this well a little too often. He may come to regret manipulating Dean into doing his dirty work. At some point in the future Crowley really will find himself on the receiving end of The First Blade. He’d better watch his steps.
I’m with you Ikeke one day Crowley is going to come unstuck. Why did it take him years to find that blade. Along comes Dean Winchester to do the dirty work and bam Crowley’s plans have come into fruition. Why has it taken him so long to take out Abaddon.
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